Holding LEO to a higher standard?? What's your view

Dronephoto

What does the GENERAL PUBLIC THINK about the idea of holding LEO to a higher standard? SHOULD THEY OR SHOULD THEY NOT.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-police-officers-be-held-to-a-higher-standard

Here's some supporting arguments of both sides but seems like general consensus is yes LEO should be held to a higher standard


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Team Sabatage

The general public needs to be held to a higher standard.

Dronephoto

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/14/obama-scolds-police-missouri-must-be-held-higher-s/?page=all


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Dronephoto

Being held to a higher standard:

It means to judge them on a basis above the norm. To expect more than what is to be the normal behavior of everybody else.

EX: I hold you to a higher standard.

Means I expect you to be better.


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chubasco

Bottom line is that cops just are not paid that much given the dangers of the job. If they can't get the job perk of being able to get away with shooting black people then we will have to pay them more. It's like the priests diddling the little boys. Once we took the job perk away no one wanted to be priests anymore so now there's a shortage.

Greyt Escape

Of course they should be held to a higher standard. They wouldnt even get the job if the werent already considered as such. I would like to see them "lead by example". Its a great quality in all leaders and sometimes a little goes a long way. How often does a cop use a turn signal when changing lanes?

AC Man

Every cop I personally know is awesome! Normal guys with no attitude. A good friend of mine has a brother that is a cop, (I don't know him) my friend rags on his brother all the time. Small man mentality with a attitude.Big or small I am sure they are out there. Just like in society there is good and bad.

Dronephoto

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=1054&issue_id=112006

Make sure you read first sentence of the second paragraph.... Redacted lol


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Gary S. Colecchio

Declaring that you are right is insufficient evidence that you are, unless you measure your opinion to some extraordinary standard.

seajay-1

What is the Baseline for said Standards?

seajay-1

Gary S. Colecchio wrote: »

Declaring that you are right is insufficient evidence that you are, unless you measure your opinion to some extraordinary standard.

:applause

Billy No Mates

Dronephoto wrote: »

Make sure you read first sentence of the second paragraph

No. This subject has grown quite old.

NACl H2O Luvr

chubasco wrote: »

Bottom line is that cops just are not paid that much given the dangers of the job. If they can't get the job perk of being able to get away with shooting black people then we will have to pay them more. It's like the priests diddling the little boys. Once we took the job perk away no one wanted to be priests anymore so now there's a shortage.

Interesting that Chubasco has now started importing his Race Baiting posts from politics over to OT......while seemingly, the mods don't even race an eyebrow. Fascinating.

Hickory Dog

NACl H2O Luvr wrote: »

Interesting that Chubasco has now started importing his Race Baiting posts from politics over to OT......while seemingly, the mods don't even race an eyebrow. Fascinating.

I have never heard of eyebrow racing - of course I spend my time fishing, not hanging out in rest areas looking to get rear ended.

chubasco

NACl H2O Luvr wrote: »

Interesting that Chubasco has now started importing his Race Baiting posts from politics over to OT......while seemingly, the mods don't even race an eyebrow. Fascinating.

People without a sense of humor amaze me. How do they ever get anyone to marry them.

cadman

Dronephoto wrote: »

What does the GENERAL PUBLIC THINK about the idea of holding LEO to a higher standard? SHOULD THEY OR SHOULD THEY NOT.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-police-officers-be-held-to-a-higher-standard

Here's some supporting arguments of both sides but seems like general consensus is yes LEO should be held to a higher standard


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Could you define this higher standard for me?

What exactly do you mean?

If they commit a crime they should get longer jail time? The rules for firing them from their job? what is the higher standard you speak of?

got ants?

The real debate should be, what is a higher standard?

In my reality, they already are. Are you (the OP) asking for an even higher standard? Even the links you posted are confusing. On the first link, some of those on the YAY should be on the NAY.

If you are attributing this to something Obama said, and I'll admit, I didn't watch the video in the second link, and cannot read the redacted part, but I already know where he was going with this. The left has proven they have no way to lead us into the future, so they must divide and create an air of racism that previously did not exist. Is there a problem with black America, absolutely, and its growing because of the likes of Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bejamin Crump, et al... If the future they seek is to change America, its working. We are becoming the socialist nation we fought so hard against (Russia/China, ie; communism states) With a growing population that has no desire to work, or even attempt to better themselves, and are being blindly lead to vote on the harp strings of a perceived injustice, yup, they are succeeding.

But should Police be held to a higher standard, thats a silly question, of course they should. But a higher standard than that, silly again, NO! What needs to be pointed out is the growing population that has no respect for the laws of the land, and thier fellow human beings. Can we discuss this? Are would we be called racists for saying the truths?

Dronephoto

cadman wrote: »

Could you define this higher standard for me?

What exactly do you mean?

If they commit a crime they should get longer jail time? The rules for firing them from their job? what is the higher standard you speak of?

The definition I did post. I am asking a question from a previous debate I was involved in. So I have no exact meaning but would like to hear your opinion if you want to share
And yes I do believe they should get longer jail time, yes I think they should be fired sooner rather than PAID suspensions


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Dronephoto

got ants? wrote: »

The real debate should be, what is a higher standard?

In my reality, they already are. Are you (the OP) asking for an even higher standard? Even the links you posted are confusing. On the first link, some of those on the YAY should be on the NAY.

If you are attributing this to something Obama said, and I'll admit, I didn't watch the video in the second link, and cannot read the redacted part, but I already know where he was going with this. The left has proven they have no way to lead us into the future, so they must divide and create an air of racism that previously did not exist. Is there a problem with black America, absolutely, and its growing because of the likes of Obama, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bejamin Crump, et al... If the future they seek is to change America, its working. We are becoming the socialist nation we fought so hard against (Russia/China, ie; communism states) With a growing population that has no desire to work, or even attempt to better themselves, and are being blindly lead to vote on the harp strings of a perceived injustice, yup, they are succeeding.

But should Police be held to a higher standard, thats a silly question, of course they should. But a higher standard than that, silly again, NO! What needs to be pointed out is the growing population that has no respect for the laws of the land, and thier fellow human beings. Can we discuss this? Are would we be called racists for saying the truths?

I agree what the wording of the debate should be. Because the understand of what a higher standard eludes quite a few on here. With that being said I wish in my reality I thought they were. And no my post has nothing to do with Obama. Glad we agree they should be held to a higher standard and sad we disagree they already are. I think they are here and there but it's not a across the board thing. Which is why we have LEO doing messed up things. And receiving paid suspensions. So if they were held to this higher standard already well things would be a touch different In my eyes.


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Dronephoto

chubasco wrote: »

People without a sense of humor amaze me. How do they ever get anyone to marry them.

Some women don't care for the humor and just love the size of ones lures. I mean big lures catch keepers right?


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dnaber

I have never asked a LEO to hold a higher standard than the law asks. What I do demand is that that follow the same laws that they would arrest or ticket me for violating. Case in point.... The other morning I was passed by a JSO sheriff’s car in clay county (not the first time)speeding, tailgating, and weaving in and out of the morning traffic without signaling. I'm sure he was late to work, but if that had been me I sure he would have given me a ticket. I really do believe that a some LEO believe that they have a case of entitlement to drive as they want. That REALLY upsets me. I don't expect them to wear halos on their heads but I have always told my kids to respect and lookup to the folks that put their life on the line every day for them. In general I have a great respect for all officers of the law and I’m thankful for the job they do.

Dronephoto

dnaber wrote: »

I have never asked a LEO to hold a higher standard than the law asks. What I do demand is that that follow the same laws that they would arrest or ticket me for violating. Case in point.... The other morning I was passed by a JSO sheriff’s car in clay county (not the first time)speeding, tailgating, and weaving in and out of the morning traffic without signaling. I'm sure he was late to work, but if that had been me I sure he would have given me a ticket. I really do believe that a some LEO believe that they have a case of entitlement to drive as they want. That REALLY upsets me. I don't expect them to wear halos on their heads but I have always told my kids to respect and lookup to the folks that put their life on the line every day for them. In general I have a great respect for all officers of the law and I’m thankful for the job they do.

Well said thanks for your input


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chubasco

Dronephoto wrote: »

Some women don't care for the humor and just love the size of ones lures. I mean big lures catch keepers right?


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I have always found that it takes more than a big lure.

But then, they say there's a lid for every pot. Gotta be some women with a stick up their butts that need to get married too. Just gotta be so boring to go through life without a sense of humor.

Dronephoto

chubasco wrote: »

I have always found that it takes more than a big lure.

But then, they say there's a lid for every pot. Gotta be some women with a stick up their butts that need to get married too. Just gotta be so boring to go through life without a sense of humor.

X2 a sense of humor is a must


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Gardawg

People in positions of authority are the only ones who can abuse that authority.

For that they should be held accountable.

Some may view that as a higher standard.



Professionals are held to a higher standard ... if I set your broken arm while in the wilderness I would not be held to the standard of care that a licensed doctor would be ... and would not have the same liability for damages for doing a incompetent job of setting the arm

LEOs are do have special privileges ... with them come special responsibilities

TripleX

Dronephoto wrote: »

I agree what the wording of the debate should be. Because the understand of what a higher standard eludes quite a few on here. With that being said I wish in my reality I thought they were. And no my post has nothing to do with Obama. Glad we agree they should be held to a higher standard and sad we disagree they already are. I think they are here and there but it's not a across the board thing. Which is why we have LEO doing messed up things. And receiving paid suspensions. So if they were held to this higher standard already well things would be a touch different In my eyes.

So if someone files a false complaint on an officer which forces the agency to place the accused officer on the sidelines, they should go without pay while the investigation is completed?

Dronephoto

Gardawg wrote: »

People in positions of authority are the only ones who can abuse that authority.

For that they should be held accountable.

Some may view that as a higher standard.



Professionals are held to a higher standard ... if I set your broken arm while in the wilderness I would not be held to the standard of care that a licensed doctor would be ... and would not have the same liability for damages for doing a incompetent job of setting the arm

LEOs are do have special privileges ... with them come special responsibilities

Now there's a good response. A STANDARD should be set for multiple profession yes and is set higher for some than others. I like your description about the broken arm


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Dronephoto

TripleX wrote: »

So if someone files a false complaint on an officer which forces the agency to place the accused officer on the sidelines, they should go without pay while the investigation is completed?

A complaint no that's ridiculous. But when a officers acts like this well yes watch the video and tell me honestly you feel he should be suspended with pay


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Dronephoto

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-cop-paid-leave-tasing-62-year-woman/


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-12-14/news/fl-editorial-police-gs1212-20121214_1_police-officers-police-supervisors-shifts
OR HOW ABOUT WHEN COPS ARE FOUND GUILTY OF THIS?? IMHO fired immediately




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TripleX

Dronephoto wrote: »

A complaint no that's ridiculous. But when a officers acts like this well yes watch the video and tell me honestly you feel he should be suspended with pay


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Yes, until the investigation is complete...

cadman

Dronephoto wrote: »

I agree what the wording of the debate should be. Because the understand of what a higher standard eludes quite a few on here. With that being said I wish in my reality I thought they were. And no my post has nothing to do with Obama. Glad we agree they should be held to a higher standard and sad we disagree they already are. I think they are here and there but it's not a across the board thing. Which is why we have LEO doing messed up things. And receiving paid suspensions. So if they were held to this higher standard already well things would be a touch different In my eyes.


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Should they follow the law they are sworn to upheld, yes they should. Should they be disciplined for violating the law and held liable civilly and criminally that any other person should be, yes they should. Do you fire a person for suspicion or because a person filed a complaint? No you should not. You evaluate the evidence and then make a decision. Some times they need to be removed from the job for safety reasons. They are suspended for a brief time period. I think union rules require they be paid.

Do cops speed, sure they do. Most of us speed every day and don't get caught. I haven't seen one do much more than 5 or 10 over. I know, here, a cop can lose pay or his job for violating the traffic laws. Sometimes they do it as part of their job but you don't know it. I saw a motorcycle cop weaving in and out of traffic once that I knew. the next time I saw him I asked about it knowing I would be ticketed. He explained his reasons, which were legit, but something I was not aware of at the time.

Now, let us get to the real question. When should a cop use force. that is really what this is about. You think cops should only shoot after bullets have been fired at them. Unless there is a direct threat with a gun pointed at the cop and the bad guy says "I am going to kill you" or starts pulling the trigger a cop should not fire his weapon. You think criminals carry guns for protection and not to use in a criminal activity. I think once a suspect pulls any kind of weapon out when an officer is present, he should be shot. The officer is having a conversation with that person for a reason. They pull a weapon it is not for good intentions.

In fact I will go a step further and say if I stop you leaving my store because I saw you steal something and you pull a weapon, I will shoot you. I will not wait on you to point it at me or decide to use it on me. You are a threat to me at that point and I will eliminate the threat.

Does that answer your question?