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I never got a flat tire, I caught the nails before any damage was had. So he was lucky of that I did watch his dad backhand him while walking away though. The mom brought me cookies which I threw away for fear of poison being in them. I mean their offspring tried setting up my tires with nails, I'm not eating her cookies :Nono
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You punched a 12 year old in his mouth....his mom made you cookies......which you threw away because you are afraid that they were poisoned...his dad backhanded him....and you never got a flat?
....and you have been here 3 months....have 451 posts...all about someone allegedly messing with you.....and your outright distrust and outrage over police....how they park...how they speed....how they don't seem to do anything up to your high standards.....
Hummmmmmmmmm...
Bahahaha if you only knew what you were talking about
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You should go read every single one of my 451 posts so you can have a better sense of what your talking about. And you should also know that I also had another previous name that I changed and have been around longer than 3 months. The fact that I post under my business name should show you I don't really care what people think about me. The people I rub wrongly oh well, the people I've made friends with well they are probably laughing at all this and everyone else who has a opinion about me well I can give them instructions on where to place their opinions on me. Do you feel important now that you've got my attention?
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You haven't rubbed me the wrong way....I was just making a observation...
...and I really wasn't looking to "get you attention" so much as I was illustrating what appears to be a pattern....
Well I'll just punish myself and go sit in the corner til I learn how to play well with others I guess. Problem solved
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....like I said, "...a pattern......"
I'm neither Pro or Anti-Police I'm for honest Police officers, Judges, Prison Guards, Teachers, the list could go on for ever.
I'm for Due Process of Law. If found guilty a Police officer should get same punishment as anyone else Period, I'm not quite sure I believe the punishment should be steeper.
Officers should be held to standard not a higher Standard a standard we all should be held to
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U.S. law enforcement officers and other officials like judges, prosecutors, and security guards have been given tremendous power by local, state, and federal government agencies—authority they must have to enforce the law and ensure justice in our country. These powers include the authority to detain and arrest suspects, to search and seize property, to bring criminal charges, to make rulings in court, and to use deadly force in certain situations.
Preventing abuse of this authority, however, is equally necessary to the health of our nation’s democracy. That’s why it’s a federal crime for anyone acting under “color of law” willfully to deprive or conspire to deprive a person of a right protected by the Constitution or U.S. law. “Color of law” simply means that the person is using authority given to him or her by a local, state, or federal government agency.
The FBI is the lead federal agency for investigating color of law abuses, which include acts carried out by government officials operating both within and beyond the limits of their lawful authority. Off-duty conduct may be covered if the perpetrator asserted his or her official status in some way.
During 2012, 42 percent of the FBI’s total civil rights caseload involved color of law issues—there were 380 color of law cases opened during the year. Most of the cases involved crimes that fell into into five broad areas:
-Excessive force;
-Sexual assaults;
-False arrest and fabrication of evidence;
-Deprivation of property; and
-Failure to keep from harm.
Content taken from and continue reading here: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/color_of_law
Applause
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That's what I was advocating. Now would you please update the HOTD thread, you're work is amazing.
Curious how many of the 380 cases were filed by those incarcerated...
Doesn't one lose their rights once incarcerated? Not sure how they would be able to file for something that's to protect ones rights while not having any rights. I could be wrong though in my thought
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Can I ask you a serious question?
You arrest a guy for stealing a car, he's found guilty and sentenced to 2 years. He does his time gets out and 3 years later you receive a call of a stolen car. You track it down arrest the person to only find you've arrested him before for stealing cars. He's found guilty and sentenced to 2 years?
Do you think that's fair or should his second offense be steeper for same infraction because he knows the consequences' and knows it's wrong?
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I'm not on either side of this discussion. It's a tough topic.
I enjoy a good debate.
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Your spot on Florida is on a points system. Second trip would be more points and if you get 44 we'll see ya off to FSP.
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Fair? Not to steal your line but.....:Spittingcoffee...The CJ system is not fair. Money influences your treatment and what you are afforded. When I was on road patrol I arrested the same people for the same crime numerous times. There are many factors to consider when incarcerating someone for property crimes, such as room to house the criminal, cost, likely hood they will re offend when out on bond. What's fair and what happens are usually two different things, that's reality. And in your example I knew long before I was a leo that it was wrong to take something that wasn't mine, I sure as hell didn't need to do time to know that.
Negative, only certain rights... Inmates file frivolous cases everyday concerning title 18 USC 242... Not saying all of the 380 cases reported were filed by those incarcerated, but I'm sure they made up a good portion...
Also curious how many of those cases were "Founded"...
If they only knew... I've made arrests on the same individual for the same offense only to see them back on the streets before I finished my PC affidavit...
I do not pretend to believe our judicial system is Perfect far from it. In my opinion it's the Best in the world.
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Right on you and I see things competely different and that's ok. I accept it and realize my arguing my opinions with you isn't gonna change chit so best of luck to you. Hell you realizing anything isn't gonna change the system anyway.
I understand that and I would also be interested in how many were founded.
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We do see things differently, and I too am fine with that, but let's remember between the two of us I'm the only one who has seen it from both sides. I've only been a leo for 15 years and I'm mid 40's, I predict your opinion will change as you get older and mature. If I had to guess you are late 20s early 30's and single, you're full of pizz and vinegar and good for you, but soon you'll realize there are things you cant change and that you should accept. Not judging, just an observation from a person who has been there and done most of that. Be safe
True but there's the issue your experience doesn't come into play with my view of a LEO should be held to a higher standard. Which I provided my supporting facts for
Your experience doesn't come into play with my view that LEO should receive a more extreme sentences when found guilty. No supporting facts just my opinion.
So you using your 15 years on both sides is relevant how? In this debate?
As far as the body cam debate I take your 15 years of experience into account because it can be applied to the situation that (agreed) I haven't ever been in.
I mean those are the 2 points I've been arguing for 2 days. Higher standard and more extreme sentencing for guilty LEO's the rest was supporting argument
I am young and full of vinegar and am also one who stands strong for what I believe in. Maybe over the years I will fine tune how to present my opinions. Wisdom comes with age and I don't have wisdom I have life experience from what I've experienced.
ADD ON: Your experience on both sides should however help you understand this:
In the general orders or in the personnel manual of virtually every police organization there is language about “ethics” and “integrity.” But what exactly does than mean? Ethics is an easy word to throw around and yet very hard to define.
Police officers are held to a higher standard than the general public, both on and off duty, but do we really understand why that is and how an organization can be confident that its employees always act with integrity? Here are just a few thoughts for all law enforcement personnel to ponder, from the chief executive to the newest recruit.
Link to the rest of the article
http://policelink.monster.com/education/articles/103583-criminal-justice-ethics-for-everyone
Your experience should lead you to a different opinion but it hasn't. I've shown supporting facts that multiple organizations, president etc believe LEO should be held to a higher standard. Can you provide any supporting documentation on why LEO should not? The reason I've pushed this so far with you is because your a LEO and your 15 years of experience in that field shouldn't lead you to believe every one should be held to the same standard. But that you as a LEO are way more influential, powerful and hold powers very few do. So why wouldn't you be held to a higher standard?
IMO I've proven my point and I don't need validation from anyone on this site. I am sure if I talked with your commanding officers they would agree that LEO should be held to a higher standard.
And again a higher standard isnt the same as having the same rights or same due process because that I do believe that should be across the board no variation. People have been getting the definition and understanding of BEING HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD confused with having the same rights as the next person or being given the same due process as the next person.
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Higher Standard of Conduct: The Ohio Supreme Court has held that Law Enforcement Officers are held to a Higher Standard of Conduct and may be terminated for conduct that may not otherwise be serious in another office setting.
Rest of article:
https://cantonohio.gov/police/?pg=316
Here's proof of my statement about having NO protection against a LEO and that any other profession you could walk away unharmed and without fear
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-non-submission-police-beating-attempted-murder/
Here's proof there's a problem with ethics within LEO not every LEO but within LE
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-12-14/news/fl-editorial-police-gs1212-20121214_1_police-officers-police-supervisors-shifts
Here's proof there's a problem with ethics and abuse of police force(possibly color of law) situation
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/florida-cop-paid-leave-tasing-62-year-woman/
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My point about my age and experiences was an attempt to show that I have been where you are, but you haven't been where I am. My views were not meant to support your point if views (thats why we disagree), you have your point of views and I respect them, but don't agree with them. We have beat this horse to death and Don't wish to keep dancing with you, my feet hurt. Maybe one day I'll know as much as you and can enlighten the world with my vast knowledge and world experience.
You knew it was coming :grin and I couldn't agree more with Stewart's statement.
Good day sir
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OH crap that is what's happening.
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