County blames roe fishermen for dead fish on beach

ANUMBER1

Fintastic.Inc wrote: »

Art, you and I have been through this many times before and I don't really feel like having the same conversations again and again with you about the IFQ system. In your PM to me you said that you didn't like the system and if you were King you would not have done it, furthermore by not owning a permit or even being involved with the commercial (IFQ) fishery I really can't understand why a guy would literally post every day on this and other forums sticking up for this system unless he is either some sort of "plant" or has some stocks in the market. Either way it's America and I guess you are welcome to your opinion.
Mine is, IFQ is all garbage and so are the money grubbing people that are ruining fisheries all over the world.
SHARELORDS DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GROUPER AND AN AMBERJACK, BUT THEY OWN A HUGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TAC. WHAT A JOKE

As a director for Organized Fishermen of Fl. I stick up for the fishermen even if I don't agree with the management plan they have to work with.

No plant and no stocks in that market, what I told you in the pm still holds true and I don't give a rats **** if you believe me or not, you're the one that started the personal attacks.

Fintastic.Inc

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

As a director for Organized Fishermen of Fl. I stick up for the fishermen even if I don't agree with the management plan they have to work with.

No plant and no stocks in that market, what I told you in the pm still holds true and I don't give a rats **** if you believe me or not, you're the one that started the personal attacks.

No personal attacks here, just defending myself when you tell me I am running my business incorrectly. For a fishing charter business to be around for 16 years and counting I thought I was doing it right. Thanks for bringing it to my attention I will try harder in the future to be a " Real Fisherman".

ANUMBER1

Fintastic.Inc wrote: »

Comments like this is what makes you a special kind of jacka$$.

you brought this up on a comment I made to Jerry. Your first comment on this thread attacked me and none of my comments before were directed at you???

Tom, ban this person for personal attacks...

ANUMBER1

Tom??? moderator???

Hello???

Tom Hilton

Art,
I have read through this entire thread - I see you making assertions that may or may not be true, and consistently stirring the pot.

I would keep to the fisheries issues and keep the personal comments to yourself - you are your own worst enemy here.

surfman

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6464 052804 5/28/2004 Palmetto Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Bishop Harbor
20-100 - Mullet
7922 080905 8/9/2005 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Coral Shores Canal
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16543 030211 3/2/2011 Holmes Beach Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Marina Drive 50
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17667 122211 12/22/2011 Longboat Key Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Chatham Drive Unkown Count
Mullet
17668 122311 12/23/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Marina Drive Unkown Count
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Mullet
17672 122311 12/23/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Cloumbia Drive Unkown Count
Mullet
17673 122311 12/23/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Columbia Drive Unkown Count
Mullet
17677 122511 12/25/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Bimini Drive Unkown Count
Mullet
17681 122711 12/27/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump 27 East & SR64 Boat Ramp 19
Mullet
17682 122711 12/27/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Cortez & Nassau Road Unkown Count
Mullet
17683 12/27/2011 Bradenton Beach Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Sarasota Bay - Runaway Cove 20
Mullet
17685 122811 12/28/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump US 41 & Bay Drive - Bowlees Creek Unkown Count
Mullet
17692 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Exact Location Unknown 1000's
Mullet
17693 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Sarasota Bay 100's
Mullet
17694 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Exact Location Unknown Unkown Count
Mullet
17689 122911 12/29/2011 Cortez Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Kingston Road 100's
Mullet
17690 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Manatee River 100's
Mullet
17691 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Trailer Estates 20-100
Mullet
17697 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Tailer Estates Unkown Count
Mullet
17698 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Marina Drive Unkown Count
Mullet
17699 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Beer Can Island Unkown Count
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17702 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump 1 Mile East of Cortez Fishing Village Unkown Count
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17705 122911 12/29/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Gap Creek at Hwy 70 1000's
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Mullet
17712 123011 12/30/2011 Bradenton Beach Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Coquina Beach - Longboat Drawbridge 30
Mullet
17715 123011 12/30/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Sarasota Bay Unkown Count
Mullet
17720 123011 12/30/2011 Cortez Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Exact Location Unknown 100s
Mullet
17718 123011 12/30/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Trailer Estates 100s
Mullet
17719 123011 12/30/2011 Coral Shores Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Coral Shores 100s
Mullet
17709 123011 12/30/2011 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Florida Blvd - Sarasota Bay 20-100
Mullet
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Mullet
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Mullet
17727 123111 12/31/2011 Anna Maria Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Bimini Bay Unkown Count
Mullet
17732 010212 1/2/2012 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Coral Blvd 100s
Mullet
17737 010312 1/3/2012 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Coral Shores Unkown Count
Mullet
17738 010312 1/3/2012 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Bowlee's Creek 20-100
Mullet
17744 010512 1/5/2012 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Off Cortez Road Unkown Count
Mullet
17871 031712 3/17/2012 Anna Maria Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Between Sandbar Restaurant & The Point Unkown Count
Juvenile Bonnethead, Sharpnose
17878 032012 3/20/2012 Bradenton Beach Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Bayside by Bimini Inlet Unkown Count
Juvenile Shark
17887 032212 3/22/2012 Anna Maria Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Anna Maria Island 19
Hammerhead Shark, Lemon Shark
18226 070312 7/3/2012 Palmetto Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Beacon Road 25
Grouper, Snapper
20055 123013 12/30/2013 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Kingfish Boat Ramp 10
Mullet
20124 020614 2/6/2014 Palmetto Manatee Mortality - Cartilaginous Net Dump Terra Ceia Bay 100s
Shark
21166 12/20/2014 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Sarasota Bay Canal 19
Mullet
21166 12/20/2014 Bradenton Manatee Fish Kill Net Dump Sarasota Bay Canal 19
Mullet

I am talking about more than just recent reports, many people get tired of reporting the same thing over and over realizing that nothing is being done about it.

drgibby

Pretty darn hard to refute that one! Thanks for posting Surfman. Some folks on here seem to have mastered the use of smoke and mirrors.

ANUMBER1

drgibby wrote: »

Pretty darn hard to refute that one! Thanks for posting Surfman. Some folks on here seem to have mastered the use of smoke and mirrors.

Lot of difference between 2011 and 2014, lots of other masterful techniques on here too.

surfman

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gill netter

Very crowded this year. Lots of part timers. Our license system needs reform.

gill netter

Cast nets are very effective at harvesting mullet. They catch em all. Even the white roes. Gill nets let the white roes go.

notreely

gill netter wrote: »

Very crowded this year. Lots of part timers. Our license system needs reform.

Florida License system needs to be completely overhauled, as well as the rules on bag limit sales in state waters. It is only going to get worse because of our governors policy of qualifying any honorable discharged service member for RS endorsement.

N The Water

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

Just for your information, the old mesh sizes on the gill nets were regulated to ensure a female had roughly spawned at least twice before growing large enough to be gilled.
These restrictions were tailored to each specific region to reflect to average size of mullet throughout that region.


BTW, that's what you sporties do when high-grading grouper/snapper, cull the smaller males in favor of the larger breeders...

I know, I know, y'all ain't gonna spend fiddy gazillion dollas to catch two small snappas when youse can brang home two big sows.

Tell me, how many small fish do y'all cull/kill to keep two 15 lbers?

:Agree

N The Water

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

3.5 inch mesh or bigger in my area, 4 inch or better in the south. Most of us fished a 4 or 4.25 inch mesh during roe season specifically for red roe fish.

Your area was a little different and you can thank Dempsey Barron for that.

We may have helped slit our throats but people like you did and still continue to stab us in the back.

:Agree

[email protected] Special

gill netter wrote: »

Cast nets are very effective at harvesting mullet. They catch em all. Even the white roes. Gill nets let the white roes go.

Man those are really smart nets!

ANUMBER1

[email protected] Special wrote: »

Man those are really smart nets!

Square peg, round hole..
Very simple.

Long Gone

While its a common justification of gill net proponents, the mesh size claim isnt entirely true. Theres big male mullet too, especially just before spawning so we may want to refrain from the notion that bigger mesh only catches roe mullet. Simply not true, but a popular myth to be sure. Gill nets catch whites too, likely a lower percentage, but they're all dead.
Another thing to consider is what if the exploding fleet of new cast net boats we have today (often 100 or more on a school) were each allowed a quarter mile of gill net in the water like they used to be? There wouldnt be a single living creature on the flats near the inlets from Cedar key to Marco Island. The bottom line is that while I agree it was a raw deal for the veteran commercial fishermen who used gill nets for years in Old Florida, our inshore waters can no longer support or sustain the use of that kind of gear. Its a shame but its a modern reality.
Its the same story everywhere; way more people trying earn a living from a finite resource. Its playing out all over the state.

ANUMBER1

Long Gone wrote: »

While its a common justification of gill net proponents, the mesh size claim isnt entirely true. Theres big male mullet too, especially just before spawning so we may want to refrain from the notion that bigger mesh only catches roe mullet. Simply not true, but a popular myth to be sure. Gill nets catch whites too, likely a lower percentage, but they're all dead. It is not the perfect female straining gear some would have you believe.
Another thing to consider is what if the exploding fleet of new cast net boats we have today (often 100 or more on a school) were each allowed a quarter mile of gill net in the water like they used to be? There wouldnt be a single living creature on the flats near the inlets from Cedar key to Marco Island. The bottom line is that while I agree it was a raw deal for the veteran commercial fishermen who used gill nets for years in Old Florida, our inshore waters can no longer support or sustain the use of that kind of gear. Its a shame but its a modern reality.
Its the same story everywhere; way more people trying earn a living from a finite resource. Its playing out all over the state. Cast nets for mullet will be next on the restrictions list, as this stupidity in Anna Maria will insure.

No myth sir. 4" mesh in Citrus county broke down to aprox 75% red/ 25%white.
There were more markets back then and they could absorb the white roe catch.
Another thing to consider is that there were places that an average gill net couldn't be fished whether it be by law, current, obstructions, or depth.

N The Water

notreely wrote: »

Florida License system needs to be completely overhauled, as well as the rules on bag limit sales in state waters. It is only going to get worse because of our governors policy of qualifying any honorable discharged service member for RS endorsement.

What is really sad about this is, Florida fishermen also have to compete against out of state gill netted fish too.We fishermen aren't allow to gill net river fish,but fish markets buy out of state ones.:wink I guess nobody wants to speak up about that one.The Florida fishermen get to hook and line only,but the markets get flooded by gill netted fish.I just love being screw by the fish markets and all those fine people who help put the net ban in place.They also are helping put us out of business by purchasing out of state gill netted fish.Come get your "Fresh Gill Netted Fish From Florida",oh wait a minute they were caught else where.Just one question if you are selling gill netted,Why can't we gill net them?:mad

ANUMBER1

N The Water wrote: »

What is really sad about this is, Florida fishermen also have to compete against out of state gill netted fish too.We fishermen aren't allow to gill net river fish,but fish markets buy out of state ones.:wink I guess nobody wants to speak up about that one.The Florida fishermen get to hook and line only,but the markets get flooded by gill netted fish.I just love being screw by the fish markets and all those fine people who help put the net ban in place.They also are helping put us out of business by purchasing out of state gill netted fish.Come get your "Fresh Gill Netted Fish From Florida",oh wait a minute they were caught else where.Just one question if you are selling gill netted,Why can't we gill net them?:mad

:huh:huh

Fl-boy

At 10 cents a pound, the white roe males are not worth icing and bring to the market.

N The Water

gill netter wrote: »

Very crowded this year. Lots of part timers. Our license system needs reform.

Originally posted by gill netter.Commercial Fisherman Will Be Here Forever.We will continue to work around your stupid laws.:shrug:huh

The last thing we need is more laws.It's hard enough to try and make a living Net fishing for mullet.I have went broke trying to hook and line river fish.Drum,Sheepshead,whiting and so on.They just don't pay a good price for them anymore at the fish markets.Most fishermen now only mullet fish.This all goes back to markets buying fish from out of state gill netters.Nothing wrong with gill netting fish,but not allowing Florida fishermen to gill net too is just wrong.Don't sell fish here that we can't harvest the same way.:mad

Mackeral Snatcher

You should work towards getting legislation enacted to that effect.

N The Water

Mackeral Snatcher wrote: »

You should work towards getting legislation enacted to that effect.

I am,just wanted to put the word out.:USA

ANUMBER1

Mackeral Snatcher wrote: »

You should work towards getting legislation enacted to that effect.

you're mean..:nono

drgibby

Can anyone else hear the banjo music playing, or is it just me?

Tarponator

gill netter wrote: »

Cast nets are very effective at harvesting mullet. They catch em all. Even the white roes. Gill nets let the white roes go.

And the cast netters could let the white roes go too. That is, if they weren't too greedy to sort them while they are still alive.

ANUMBER1

drgibby wrote: »

Can anyone else hear the banjo music playing, or is it just me?

Prolly just you reminiscing about your childhood excursions with Uncle Chester...

ANUMBER1

Tarponator wrote: »

And the cast netters could let the white roes go too. That is, if they weren't too greedy to sort them while they are still alive.

Most do.

gill netter

The voters were promised that limiting the use of gill and entanglement nets would prevent the unnecessary killing and waste of Floridas marine resources. Someone has some explaining to do!