Did 1994 gill-net vote mislead?

ANUMBER1

Gary S. Colecchio wrote: »

:huh I don't see any chickens, Art.

ok, then cormorants.

toomer

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

Starved as in no food? No.
Starved as in 50-60 years old and stripped of a vocation that you have practiced all your life with really no hope of a decent paying job in your future? Yes.

I said it before and I'll say it again, net ban was nothing but a resource grab by the recreational sector at the expense of the commercial fishermen.
That is why I have no sympathy for the rec sector in the current resource allocation for GOM reef fish.

The chickens have come home to roost indeed.[/QUOT

Art, and I assume that is your name from what others have posted. Mine is Robert and we have exchanged friendly posts on a previous topic.

You just nailed it for me. I have been trying to see both sides and come to some blended view that could bind both. But this was not a "resource grab" by the rec sector. It was a last stand to save stocks from collapse.

With that statement you have helped me better understand where you and I stand as fishermen, and that is far apart. Plus you called reds crab bait some time back. That's like calling my kids ugly.

ANUMBER1

toomer wrote: »

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

Starved as in no food? No.
Starved as in 50-60 years old and stripped of a vocation that you have practiced all your life with really no hope of a decent paying job in your future? Yes.

I said it before and I'll say it again, net ban was nothing but a resource grab by the recreational sector at the expense of the commercial fishermen.
That is why I have no sympathy for the rec sector in the current resource allocation for GOM reef fish.

The chickens have come home to roost indeed.[/QUOT

Art, and I assume that is your name from what others have posted. Mine is Robert and we have exchanged friendly posts on a previous topic.

You just nailed it for me. I have been trying to see both sides and come to some blended view that could bind both. But this was not a "resource grab" by the rec sector. It was a last stand to save stocks from collapse.

With that statement you have helped me better understand where you and I stand as fishermen, and that is far apart. Plus you called reds crab bait some time back. That's like calling my kids ugly.

For years we left the reds over 4-lbs alone as there was no market for them other than crab bait, Chef Paul changed all that with blackened redfish...
I've never been a fan of eating redfish no matter what the size.

Most of the inshore stocks at that time had a management plan in place to aid in recovery.

ANUMBER1

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

net ban was nothing but a resource grab by the recreational sector at the expense of the commercial fishermen.

Substitute "Sector Separation" for net ban, swap recreational and commercial, and we now have the recreational stance on ARS...

BTW, I wouldn't call your kids ugly.

duckmanJR

Why are you not duck hunting....

I have an excuse..I have Dr's appointment.

ANUMBER1

duckmanJR wrote: »

Why are you not duck hunting....

I have an excuse..I have Dr's appointment.

I shot one woodrow yesterday out of three groups, my reflexes sucked.
Took a new path today and worked one of my young dogs today on steady to flush.

Had some pheasants left out after a tower shoot on Sat., they held and flushed well.
Didn't even take the shotgun out of the case.

duckmanJR

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

I shot one woodrow yesterday out of three groups, my reflexes sucked.
Took a new path today and worked one of my young dogs today on steady to flush.

Had some pheasants left out after a tower shoot on Sat., they held and flushed well.
Didn't even take the shotgun out of the case.

Your reflexes will get better before my arm.....:wink

davidgid

I have yet to see go'ernment get involved and fix anything. I can think of a few wars that prove this.

ANUMBER1

duckmanJR wrote: »

Your reflexes will get better before my arm.....:wink

at my age I doubt it.

N The Water

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

toomer wrote: »

For years we left the reds over 4-lbs alone as there was no market for them other than crab bait, Chef Paul changed all that with blackened redfish...
I've never been a fan of eating redfish no matter what the size.

Most of the inshore stocks at that time had a management plan in place to aid in recovery.

:Agree

navigator2

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

Before you ROTFLMAO any more, Why aren't we walking on the schools of redfish now?
Ever decreasing stocks of redfish?? Whose fault is that Joe?

The only inshore fish(except snook and tarpon) with no sale and the stocks are decreasing?....

Come on Joe admit it's a rec problem.

I dunno about you Art but I scarcely need a boat to redfish anymore. Follow the redbrick road and step. The redfish stocks are so healthy this season it blows my mind. 30 years ago you coulda pulled the plug on the gulf and not seen anything but a hardhead catfish flipping around here and there. The redfish stocks are CRAZY good and the amazing thing is most are just barely under slot. There is one HELL of a juvenile brood cooking this year on the Big Bend. Yeah, they may migrate to the open gulf at maturity but things are looking up. The days of stretching nets across tidal creeks in the dark of the night are over and thank God for that.

I've been around quite a while, seen airplanes use 349 as drug landing airstrips, listened to airboats beat paddles against their boats when the cold weather sent the trout into the river and they would gill/sein everything in sight under the guise of darkness so I've seen a little of what is anecdotal evidence that recs did not destroy our inshore fishery. The stocks improved day one the gill nets were gone but it has been a slow process. The fishing this winter was the best I can ever remember, and I'm getting old. I call em like I see them, and the fishing has been spectacular. I probably should tone that down or the USACOE might want to use the Big Bend for drone site practice bombing ranges given their love for wildlife and habitat.

toomer

navigator2 wrote: »

I dunno about you Art but I scarcely need a boat to redfish anymore. Follow the redbrick road and step. The redfish stocks are so healthy this season it blows my mind. 30 years ago you coulda pulled the plug on the gulf and not seen anything but a hardhead catfish flipping around here and there. The redfish stocks are CRAZY good and the amazing thing is most are just barely under slot. There is one HELL of a juvenile brood cooking this year on the Big Bend. Yeah, they may migrate to the open gulf at maturity but things are looking up. The days of stretching nets across tidal creeks in the dark of the night are over and thank God for that.

I've been around quite a while, seen airplanes use 349 as drug landing airstrips, listened to airboats beat paddles against their boats when the cold weather sent the trout into the river and they would gill/sein everything in sight under the guise of darkness so I've seen a little of what is anecdotal evidence that recs did not destroy our inshore fishery. The stocks improved day one the gill nets were gone but it has been a slow process. The fishing this winter was the best I can ever remember, and I'm getting old. I call em like I see them, and the fishing has been spectacular. I probably should tone that down or the USACOE might want to use the Big Bend for drone site practice bombing ranges given their love for wildlife and habitat.

Ditto in Northeast Fla. A very healthy inshore fishery, save for a decline in flounder numbers recently.

ANUMBER1

navigator2 wrote: »

I dunno about you Art but I scarcely need a boat to redfish anymore. Follow the redbrick road and step. The redfish stocks are so healthy this season it blows my mind. 30 years ago you coulda pulled the plug on the gulf and not seen anything but a hardhead catfish flipping around here and there. The redfish stocks are CRAZY good and the amazing thing is most are just barely under slot. There is one HELL of a juvenile brood cooking this year on the Big Bend. Yeah, they may migrate to the open gulf at maturity but things are looking up. The days of stretching nets across tidal creeks in the dark of the night are over and thank God for that.

I've been around quite a while, seen airplanes use 349 as drug landing airstrips, listened to airboats beat paddles against their boats when the cold weather sent the trout into the river and they would gill/sein everything in sight under the guise of darkness so I've seen a little of what is anecdotal evidence that recs did not destroy our inshore fishery. The stocks improved day one the gill nets were gone but it has been a slow process. The fishing this winter was the best I can ever remember, and I'm getting old. I call em like I see them, and the fishing has been spectacular. I probably should tone that down or the USACOE might want to use the Big Bend for drone site practice bombing ranges given their love for wildlife and habitat.

Where you are fishing, yes.. But I'll remind you that trout had a commercial quota, NW (pasco line to fl/al line) was 450k plus,can't remember the exact #) Opened 11/01 and we usually filled it by end of Feb. Our harvest was controlled by a TAC (Total Allowable Catch), can you say that for the recs?

navigator2

ANUMBER1 wrote: »

Where you are fishing, yes.. But I'll remind you that trout had a commercial quota, NW (pasco line to fl/al line) was 450k plus,can't remember the exact #) Opened 11/01 and we usually filled it by end of Feb. Our harvest was controlled by a TAC (Total Allowable Catch), can you say that for the recs?

Trout fishery is good, better than in years. I'm not saying where, but the Suwannee doesn't have much in the way of seagrass flats. I do know where to go find them though. You are living the dream, make good money off commercial crabbing, live the life a lot of us would love to to for a job. (save those pics of days like Deadliest Catch). Count your blessings, I am a little envious if you want to know the truth.