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Red Snapper Sector seperation went through.

capt louiecapt louie Posts: 10,937 Moderator
Looks like Alabama said yes so that it will go back for another vote in 3 years.
Rec's have to share with charter while commercial don't loose any share.

Crazy stuff.

The Gulf’s red snapper fishery will divide the recreational segment into two parts: charter-for-hire and recreational vessels.

Changes are in store for red snapper fishing in the Gulf of Mexico, as a vote by the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council approved Amendment 40, which divides the recreational quota for the fish into two portions: private anglers and charter boats.

Historically, the Gulf area red snapper rules were separated into two segments: commercial and recreational. The vote on Amendment 40 now further splits the recreational sector.

All five Gulf states were opposed to Amendment 40 because they wanted to seek different ways to manage red snappers. However, preliminary information showed there would be a tie vote with eight for and eight against. A tie breaker would be in the hands of the National Marine Fisheries Southeast Regional Director. The director indicated that if one state would change its vote to “yes,” he would vote for a sunset clause.

The sunset clause allows Amendment 40 to expire in three years unless voted on again by the council. This would allow time for the states to work with the council on regional red snapper management instead of having it dictated by the federal court.

Alabama considered this and reluctantly changed the state’s vote to “yes,” thereby also getting the sunset provision approved.

The charter industry is pushing to reduce the bag limit to one red snapper per day in order to lengthen the season. The recreational anglers are opposed to this due to the high cost of getting to good red snapper waters for a one-day trip. This is one instance where different management strategies for the charter sector could be positive.
"You'll get your weather"


  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 13,228 AG
    charter has always come out of the rec share.
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    the one fish bag limit is for charter boats only; not private anglers.

    LOL at Alabama reluctantly voted for it. They swung the deal.
  • capt louiecapt louie Posts: 10,937 Moderator
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    charter has always come out of the rec share.

    Shouldn't it be 50/50 at least ?
    "You'll get your weather"
  • capt louie wrote: »
    Shouldn't it be 50/50 at least ?

    50/50 from what? Commercial? its already 49/51.

    Charter in the GOM should get no where close to 50% of rec total. First
    there are far fewer permitted CFH's operating now than in years past from
    which the "Historic" numbers were conjured up from. Also the more relevant
    "History" since 30b is would set it at just below 30%. To give Business owners
    a "Share" from an era before most of their times in business is just not right
    in any circles despite what the precedent of NMFS is.

    The current spreadsheet numbers going around now created by NOAA for a
    Alabama Charter Captain to see what a Rec Catch Share split may look like
    was based on a unrealistic 44% CFH and still what it showed put Texas, Florida
    West coast and Mississippi boats with less than 2 trips of fish a season. While the
    Florida Panhandle and Alabama got 1,800 pounds if split regionally, it would only
    be 800lbs if averaged. Think those owners would be willing to give up a thousand
    pounds to allow the other Texas, Florida and Mississippi owners get a 800 lb average?

    That spread sheet by the way was done before 40 was voted on, but apparently kept hidden
    until after the vote. Think Texas, Mississippi or Florida West Coast Captains would have
    been still on board if they knew how little they would really get? With a 800lb split equally
    your only talking 16 trips and with many running 2 trips a day during Snapper season, that
    could be an 8 day season. Not sure if the 1 fish pp on CFH trips being used even factors in greater
    discard mortality, so could be less yet. talk from the Separatist about fixing the data used by the NMFS for determining
    effort or Assessments. That is the only thing that will create more access for all user groups,
    but guess that's not what they really want?
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