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CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,777 Captain
We've discussed at length about clearing in and out of the Bahamas. We've touched on places like Cay Sal and made the recommendation that clear first then fish is most prudent. I've always been a strong proponent of clearing if any question is in place. Personally, I don't do one day quickies to that side. Overnight at the very shortest.
Had a friend ask about the area above the "corner" and I wasn't able to give him a distinct answer. I've seen statements that it could be considered "their water" half way or more across. I've seen others that adhere to 12 miles from nearest point of land. I've even seen some rather questionable assertions that 3 miles draws the line. Cay Sal there is land, uninhabited or sparsely so, but land none the less so I can certainly see 12 Mile being in play. The corner though is a long way from any land. Above it there is no "Bahamas" in front of you so the half way rule kind of goes away. If you wanted to go with that rule you would be effectively saying that their territory extends 600 miles north to half way between there and New York...
So... Its May ... Its Calm... You have a capable machine. You want to hit that area 10-12 miles north of the corner. Its 50 miles from say Ft. Pierce... Just go or run to West End or Walkers to clear when they are farther from that area than you are???

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  • AlwaysOnTopAlwaysOnTop Posts: 210 Deckhand
    Touchy subject can't wait to hear all the replys.
  • BullMarketBullMarket Posts: 186 Deckhand
    The real answer that no one wants to hear and is not really ever enforced is: If you cross the EEZ line you are fishing their waters. The EEZ line is defined as one of the following, usually. 200 nm from land, the continental shelf or if shorter than 200 nm you split the difference between the countries. So technically if you are fish in 30nm due east of S. Florida you are in violation.
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  • Lucky7Team2Lucky7Team2 Posts: 6,793 Admiral
    Besides the fact who wants to argue the "grey" area while your in Fox Hill and your boat has been confiscated. Just don't do it I say...
  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,777 Captain
    The point being that where I'm talking about There is no islands to the east and where this is you are closer to the mainland USA than to nearest point of Bahamian land. Its a real grey area... I'm with you in that if in doubt, checking in is prudent thing to do We too have eez and in this case if 200mi is the number they over lap considerably...
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,246 AG
    BullMarket wrote: »
    The EEZ line is defined as one of the following, usually. 200 nm from land,

    I guess we may want to let the guys that fish 70-100 miles out from Canaveral, PSL, Melboune, etc, know that they are being bad! They would fall inside the 200nm limit from the northern most shore of the Bahamas......... I wonder how many boats are out there, 'patrolling'?
  • FWCSnookFWCSnook Posts: 886 Officer
    The typical enforcement area is 12NM from Matanilla Shoals. Just be sure to keep your radar swinging and GPS on. And don't chase the birds inside of 12 miles.
  • AlwaysOnTopAlwaysOnTop Posts: 210 Deckhand
    I agree with fwcsnook! Doesn't mean I'm right, just agreeing.
  • RStyleRStyle Posts: 1,732 Captain
    Was involved in a search and near Memory Rock recently.
    The Bahamian Coast Guard had an airplane flying overhead and had a very fast and capable speedboat with
    three 300 hp outboards, jump seats, heavy firearms etc which apparently was our gift from a drug seizure.
    I have to admit that a couple of the officers were maybe 100 lb overweight and when it was time to get in the water
    they had looks of "you are out of your mind if you think we are getting in the water".
  • nuevowavonuevowavo Posts: 6,946 Moderator
    Compleat wrote: »
    The point being that where I'm talking about There is no islands to the east and where this is you are closer to the mainland USA than to nearest point of Bahamian land. Its a real grey area... I'm with you in that if in doubt, checking in is prudent thing to do We too have eez and in this case if 200mi is the number they over lap considerably...

    The Bahamians figure their territorial waters from the edge of the banks, not from land.
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  • BullMarket wrote: »
    The real answer that no one wants to hear and is not really ever enforced is: If you cross the EEZ line you are fishing their waters. The EEZ line is defined as one of the following, usually. 200 nm from land, the continental shelf or if shorter than 200 nm you split the difference between the countries. So technically if you are fish in 30nm due east of S. Florida you are in violation.

    US and Bahamas have to this day not agreed on an EEZ line. Therefore you cannot be in violation.Disagreement is with Northern zone which Bahamas wants mineral rights and US wants to keep our PLL fleet busy there.

    12 miles is probably jurisdiction for rec anglers
  • conchydongconchydong Posts: 15,442 AG

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  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,777 Captain
    12 Miles from the bank to me makes sense... The area my buddy was questioning falls right about near that edge. The only times I went to the corner in recent years was on the way home from the Abacos or the one day we fished from West End before turning left and heading to Stuart. Both times we saw a few boats up that way couple near the corner itself then others about 10-12 miles north or northwest of there...
  • pipo6007pipo6007 Posts: 41 Greenhorn
    Wouldn't it be easier to just ask one of the patrol boat personel how close you can come to Bahamas without checking in? And also how close you can fish to their waters without a permit?
  • FWCSnookFWCSnook Posts: 886 Officer
    I wouldn't poke the bear with a stick like that. Roll up in a multi million $ machine and ask how far away I need to be to fish without clearing. They may stop and board you just for the hassle. You either stay well clear, or you beeline for a port of entry.
  • abacofeverabacofever Posts: 377 Officer
    Dear god. Not this again. There is no disagreement what so ever. Bull markets reply is correct. There are other overlaping issues that recognize the Bahamas as Soverign Nation. Once recognized as a sovereign Nation a bunch of US mandated protocols automatically take force. Period.

    Now. Having said that. It does not mean that either side will vigorously enforce it.
    Up until a few years ago the Bahamas has not had the intrest or financial ability to vigorously Inforce it. The Bahamain Govt has been slowly moving in the direction of more enforcement in that area but it is unlikely they will spend much money to patrol more than just a few miles.
    I hope they do.
  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,777 Captain
    Like I said... I don't do long distance day trips. If I'm going to that side I'm gonna spend a little time and do it right... I cringe when I hear people talk about their quick shots to memory or Cay Sal. I told him not worth the risk and seems to think there is no risk...
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