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No American who works full-time should live in poverty.

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  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    No.. it's ex-Microsofties, mostly.

    They made top dollar and can't, anymore.

    Many of them are finding it difficult to get jobs where they aren't 'overqualified' or are having to take massive pay cuts.

    some have gone back to teaching, shudder. That's a paycut.
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Interesting thing about engineers is you can replace the old ones with dated educations and high salaries with new ones that have state of the art educations willing to work cheap. But hey, Home Depot likes engineers in orange smocks making 12 bucks an hour.

    Bingo.
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  • FishInFLFishInFL Posts: 2,222 Captain
    greggl wrote: »
    No.. it's ex-Microsofties, mostly.

    They made top dollar and can't, anymore.

    Many of them are finding it difficult to get jobs where they aren't 'overqualified' or are having to take massive pay cuts.

    some have gone back to teaching, shudder. That's a paycut.

    Were these ex-microsofties allowing themselves to turn into dinosaurs? Often people go to work every day, do the minimum 40hours, and stop investing in themselves because they get comfortable with their job. However, it's a real detriment when you get laid off and can't show that you know the latest technologies in demand
  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    FishInFL wrote: »
    Were these ex-microsofties allowing themselves to turn into dinosaurs? Often people go to work every day, do the minimum 40hours, and stop investing in themselves because they get comfortable with their job. However, it's a real detriment when you get laid off and can't show that you know the latest technologies in demand

    I'm guessing you missed the operative word..... "overqualified".
  • FishInFLFishInFL Posts: 2,222 Captain
    I'm guessing you missed the operative word..... "overqualified".

    I think that's a bs line. If they are so qualified, why can't the be the head architect at a company? Or the CTO?
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    We're talking a LOT of layoffs. 18000 this year.
  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    FishInFL wrote: »
    I think that's a bs line. If they are so qualified, why can't the be the head architect at a company? Or the CTO?

    Cause someone on the way up the ladder will do it for a whole lot less than someone on the way down the ladder.
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Not much of this is in the news :)
  • LuckyMrSwLuckyMrSw Posts: 3,208 Captain
    Well duhhhhhh, isn't that how it usually works? :shrug
    Cause someone on the way up the ladder will do it for a whole lot less than someone on the way down the ladder.
    Please stop derailing my thread.
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  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    LuckyMrSw wrote: »
    Well duhhhhhh, isn't that how it usually works? :shrug

    Apparently some here don't know this.
  • FishInFLFishInFL Posts: 2,222 Captain
    Cause someone on the way up the ladder will do it for a whole lot less than someone on the way down the ladder.

    Maybe they were overpaid in the first place.

    Either way, increasing minimum wage will result in higher costs to consumers. This will result in minimum wage workers still being in poverty until they figure a way to advance themselves past minimum wage. This will affect people above minimum wage probably more because their employer isn't going to automatically increase their wages higher because of the minimum wage has increased. Dollar is worth less
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Yeah.. the reality is that going into computer science is a bit of a bad deal in the end.

    In he end, were discovering that the career has a pretty short half life.
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    FishInFL wrote: »
    Maybe they were overpaid in the first place.

    Wrong :). Oh so very, very wrong.
  • AquaRoosterAquaRooster Posts: 605 Officer
    Where are all these over qualified people who can't get work. Every time I meet someone who complains about not having the job they want and that they're over qualified, I usually find that they're idiots and just don't realize it.
  • FishInFLFishInFL Posts: 2,222 Captain
    greggl wrote: »
    Wrong :). Oh so very, very wrong.

    I think we have all seen that occur where someone sits back and collects 2-3% increases a year and a promotion here and there when they are not improving themselves any longer. However, they are loyal, work 40 hours a week, have some education, but are still not continuing their education or experience. Stuck in their ways. Not saying that happens to every person, but definitely does occur. Then they complain afterwards about having a tough time finding a new job. Well no **** that a company would rather hire someone younger, more eager to learn, and understands the latest technology, willing to adapt, etc...
  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    FishInFL wrote: »
    Maybe they were overpaid in the first place.

    Either way, increasing minimum wage will result in higher costs to consumers. This will result in minimum wage workers still being in poverty until they figure a way to advance themselves past minimum wage. This will affect people above minimum wage probably more because their employer isn't going to automatically increase their wages higher because of the minimum wage has increased. Dollar is worth less

    Oh for the love of god this was covered in like post #12......


    where were you?
  • AquaRoosterAquaRooster Posts: 605 Officer
    Everyone agrees, if we just make people pay other people more money even if they don't deserve it, good things will happen. Get with it fishinfl
  • jamesfreddycjamesfreddyc Posts: 960 Officer
    Everyone agrees, if we just make people pay other people more money even if they don't deserve it, good things will happen. Get with it fishinfl

    We are and have been.

    ....92.6 mil not working is the result.
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  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    Where are all these over qualified people who can't get work. Every time I meet someone who complains about not having the job they want and that they're over qualified, I usually find that they're idiots and just don't realize it.

    You should probably take a little more time thinking your posts through in the future....

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  • AquaRoosterAquaRooster Posts: 605 Officer
    You should probably take a little more time thinking your posts through in the future....

    :Spittingcoffee

    I'm pretty happy with my post. This world has a way of separating the winners from the losers, and it's no surprise that the losers blame the system and try to change it. If I were lazy or stupid and couldn't support myself, I would also attempt to force others to support me. Just the way of the world. I'm competent enough to take care of myself, so I'm against socialism.
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    FishInFL wrote: »
    I think we have all seen that occur where someone sits back and collects 2-3% increases a year and a promotion here and there when they are not improving themselves any longer. However, they are loyal, work 40 hours a week, have some education, but are still not continuing their education or experience. Stuck in their ways. Not saying that happens to every person, but definitely does occur. Then they complain afterwards about having a tough time finding a new job. Well no **** that a company would rather hire someone younger, more eager to learn, and understands the latest technology, willing to adapt, etc...

    We work on a project for a couple years, it rakes in a few hundred million to a billion or so.
    A career in tech is 5 or 8 or 10 of these, strung together.
  • FishInFLFishInFL Posts: 2,222 Captain
    greggl wrote: »
    We work on a project for a couple years, it rakes in a few hundred million to a billion or so.
    A career in tech is 5 or 8 or 10 of these, strung together.

    Choose some variety in the projects to diversify yourself. Make sure the projects are challenging and define your career rather than let other people define it for you.

    We do have a problem of off shoring development , which is a daunting issue.
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    These are the world shaker projects. It doesn't get any higher end and the only place to go is downward.
    It's a high stakes, cut-throat world and highly competitive.

    Turns out, not something that has any longevity and the hours become brutal.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    greggl wrote: »
    My peers.

    Microsoft has been steadily downsizing for years - as have a NUMBER of established tech firms. Startup companies don't tend to be that large. Education is SCREWED and lots and lots of PHDs can't find work. It's hitting my peers and I pretty hard.
    You and your peers need to go where the work is and stop whining. You stay in lala land and expect the jobs to show up. You are no different than the cycle of aerospace. ...go start a business and don't make excuses for not finding capital.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    greggl wrote: »
    We're talking a LOT of layoffs. 18000 this year.
    Technology changes....try to find a Kodak worker.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Posts: 20,592 AG
    greggl wrote: »
    We work on a project for a couple years, it rakes in a few hundred million to a billion or so.
    A career in tech is 5 or 8 or 10 of these, strung together.
    You think that makes your industry special or unique? Choose another field.
  • Conchy CrackerConchy Cracker Posts: 10,454 Officer
    Technology changes....try to find a Kodak worker.

    I found one, He's working the tool isle at the local home depot.

    Good news for cadman, I hear his median income is up..... now he found a job....
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
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