Nighttime 3rd Reef Bottom Fishing Dania.

We got another month of summer, before the fall fishing season is upon us. I sometimes will fish at night in Biscayne Bay for Speckled Seatrout, to get away from the daytime heat. I tend to target the lit docks and/or bridges. It can be quite fun and productive, but IMO can't compare with the offshore species that can be caught. Recently I tried fishing at night the mooring buoys that run parallel from John U. Lloyd at night, but all I managed to catch were lanes, shorty yellows and too many grunts to count. This year during our cold fronts of January, I tried fishing the buoys at night also. That night was a little different with many blue fish and some ribbon-fish being caught. Not exactly the species of fish I was looking for, but nonetheless FISH. Mind you, I don't chum the waters at night. Just bottom fishing with ballyhoo plugs, silversides, whitebait and squid.

I want to see if I can get a small group of us together, to fish between the 2nd and 3rd reefs, after 6:00pm till the bite slows down. Due to my work schedule, I need it to be preferably Monday thru Thursday evening.

Now because we are on kayaks, I don't think we should do any anchoring in those depths. If you guys have done this, and know we can, I got no problem with that. We'll figure it out as we go. Chumming? Not sure on that if we are drifting and also the current has been rather fast lately. As far as lights go, the more the better...no doubt.

I would like to target some nice groupers and muttons for us to take home. I know we can also do this in the wee hours of the am, but most of us are busy with work, or when the weekend fishing comes around, we are heading further offshore.

If you have a favorite reef system you think may produce fish for us in Broward County, let me know. I have only night-timed fished Biscayne Bay, Hollywood and Dania. Also if you have any suggestions, post them up.

Thanks guys. Let's catch 'em up!
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  • jcanracerjcanracer Posts: 4,294 Moderator
    Fishing off Dania Beach, my first concern is always parking. I know the meters turn on at 6am, but when do they turn off and how late can we remain parked at the pier? One of these nights I would like to try this, but for now I do not have sufficient lighting and can't really do mid-week excursions.

    A Friday night would be my best bet, but would surely incur the wrath of the wife haha!
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  • kayakfrankkayakfrank Posts: 791 Officer
    I have "legally" parked at Dania, till midnight lately. Before it used to be 24/7 because of the fishing pier. For me to do Friday night, I know I will pay the price Saturday morning at work, my busiest day at the shop.:spin

    Lighting can be as simple as a small Sunny Delight bottle, with a .99ct flashlight inserted thru the open end. Duct tape it to a pvc pipe. Let there be light! Also, don't forget the hatlight. They do their deed >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXgeGZ1Mius&list=UUcP1XGJWTwDaYCrN84EeNCA

    If I get a crew for Friday..then Friday it is.
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  • CrstyCptSWitherspoonCrstyCptSWitherspoon Posts: 590 Officer
    Sounds like it would be a lot of fun and I'd like to give it a shot but same deal with the weekdays being bad for me. It'd have to a Friday night or Saturday night since I work Mon-Fri from 7-6.
  • sammy2189sammy2189 Posts: 998 Officer
    frank last week cannible and i went night time dock fishing we caught some nice mangrove snappers at some dock lights i have been fishing. in the 12-16inch range. i dont know about night time fishing off shore lol.
    Hobie outback
  • CannibleCannible Posts: 358 Officer
    I'm down, but these are much better places to go offshore and fish bottom than Dania
  • kayakfrankkayakfrank Posts: 791 Officer
    OK I am going to commit for a Friday, if that is what the majority calls for. We would need to be ready to launch by 7:00 pm and get fishing before nightfall. This is probably the best way we can check our drift speed and see if that is not an issue. Should the drift speed become problematic, we may have to settle for fishing closer to shore. The current will be our biggest issue, besides lighting. If the group becomes big enough, then lighting issues are minimized. For those of you that haven't 'yak fished at night, let me warn you that this is a highly addictive way of fishing.

    We will need some heavy gear on almost full drag, should we encounter some bad boys down there.They will run for cover quicker than you can say "Fish On". If you have conventional reels, this may be the time to pull them out. I don't use conventional for bottom fishing or much any type of fishing. I strongly suggest circle hooks when fishing the reefs. The circle hooks have an advantage for self setting on the fish and also help avoid getting stuck on the reef. If we were bottom fishing, other than over the reef system, I would probably use J-hooks for a much quicker hookset. I use double droppers pre-rigged for night. IMO daytime they ain't worth a dime for snapper. They will do their dirty deed at night though.
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  • kayakfrankkayakfrank Posts: 791 Officer
    Cannible wrote: »
    I'm down, but these are much better places to go offshore and fish bottom than Dania

    Hey Cannible. I am totally open for suggestions on location. In fact, that is the whole idea man. If we launch by lets say 7:00 pm, then that should give us plenty of time to kiss the wifey, tuck the kids, and get our butts beachside for some serious fishing.

    What did you have in mind Cannible ?
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  • jcanracerjcanracer Posts: 4,294 Moderator
    Sorry Frank, I didn't mean to steer the convo towards this Friday in particular, I was saying in general.
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  • SkunkLifeSkunkLife Posts: 545 Officer
    Night fishing for snapper. Full moon. Anchoring on the reef. Lots of sand ball chum. And a lot later than 7pm. These are the productive conditions. The other thing you will be attracting at this time is sharks. Lots and lots of sharks. I have a friend who does this regularly out of a 17 foot skiff. Every bait is being aggressively chased to the top by feeding sharks. Lots and lots of aggressive sharks. Bulls the size of pick up trucks. I don't want to be the guy. But someone needs to be the guy to say this. I would never limit a dude from doing something which is awesome. But know that this is the preferred method for productive snapper fishing at night, and these are the conditions you will encounter.
    Lowbrow Sportsman - "Socially inept since 1985"
  • jcanracerjcanracer Posts: 4,294 Moderator
    The Skunk is right, might be sharks all night...
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  • PottymouthPottymouth Posts: 1,547 Officer
    Lmao.. there's always gonna be sharks.. I have been offshore at night it's definitely not for everyone. With an open invite ur going to attract a bunch of newbs. Newbs on a night trip are gonna be stacked up on each other as soon as they feel that first bump.. almost forgot coast guard hears about it you will be escorted back to the beach. Been escorted back 2x. Good luck fellas.
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  • kayakfrankkayakfrank Posts: 791 Officer
    You are right skunklife. That is why I don't use chum from the kayak, especially at night. Sharks get aggresive at night., no doubt. When a fish gets caught, it's into the yak pronto! No hands or feet overhanging outside. Also, I will limit the bait size to smaller chunks, (no bonito heads here)!

    Like Pottymouth says, the coast guard is not cool with this. You know what Jcanracer....close this thread. Maybe on another occasion.
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  • drod13drod13 Posts: 259 Officer
    Frank I'll give you a shout for the monday outting.
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  • kayakfrankkayakfrank Posts: 791 Officer
    drod13 wrote: »
    Frank I'll give you a shout for the monday outting.

    Cool Danny.
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  • SkunkLifeSkunkLife Posts: 545 Officer
    YOURE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Lowbrow Sportsman - "Socially inept since 1985"
  • PottymouthPottymouth Posts: 1,547 Officer
    :Spittingcoffee lmmfao. .
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  • krashkrash Posts: 593 Officer
    Sharks are probably the least of your worries... being seen by boaters running around at night is the biggest danger (MPO), someone bring a rechargable Q-beam for warning off power boats.

    A dude I know, some of you may know as well, Lconn... added LED lighting to his kayak, inside the hull, maybe that woudl be a good option for night fishing... SuperNovaFishingLights
    Old Fugger who just likes to fish
  • CannibleCannible Posts: 358 Officer
    Boats would probably run to us trying to figure out what the hell we are. Thinking we are more likely ufo or something. Always can do a trial run in the day time. Is there some law against kayaking at night in the open ocean I should be aware of?
  • PottymouthPottymouth Posts: 1,547 Officer
    No law's, just frowned upon. . They came up to us cause a boat called it inn. The guard was nice when I spoke with him, but when my buddy told him no laws against it and got loud with him the coast guard threatened to put him in cuffs n leave his kayak on the water. After that we were escorted back to the beach.
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  • jcanracerjcanracer Posts: 4,294 Moderator
    The Coast Guard situation is sufficient grounds to dissuade me from trying it.
    Lol Rob, you remember that time we had to paddle 4 miles to escape the Submarine exercise? It was only Seatow that time, but yeah I'd rather not upset any Coast Guards.

    Krash, the supernova lights are awesome. On the Hobie Facebook group we discussed those lights and there was consensus that kayakers should remember not to mount Red and Green lights like a power boater would because it would confuse night-time boaters into thinking we are under power and can navigate at speed. The correct night time lighting (to be square with johnny-law) is a bright white light that can be seen 360 degrees. I'm itching to do a neon green UNDER the boat though.

    I'm going to leave the thread open, only because its good food for thought and there has been some good information passed around.
    Hobie Kayak angler for life!
  • CannibleCannible Posts: 358 Officer
    Ok, Frank I am down for a day time bottom trip in Pompano.
  • SkunkLifeSkunkLife Posts: 545 Officer
    Didn't see the first shark for about a half an hour. Tiger. Thirteen footer. You know, you know that when you're in the water, chief? You tell by lookin' from the dorsal to the tail.
    Lowbrow Sportsman - "Socially inept since 1985"
  • CannibleCannible Posts: 358 Officer
    Do you like to go swimming with bow legged women?
  • SkunkLifeSkunkLife Posts: 545 Officer
    I like swimming with bow legged women. Yes. I don't know what bold legs would be. Like a spicy nacho?
    Lowbrow Sportsman - "Socially inept since 1985"
  • Nick561Nick561 Posts: 339 Deckhand
    I'm down for a night trip any tues night. And I say we catch the ****ing sharks. Just sayin
  • Cat n Tat's DuskyCat n Tat's Dusky Posts: 35 Deckhand
    Watched a couple divers do a shore dive off Dania Saturday night. Thought they were going to get propeller tattoos a couple times. One small red light on an inflatable marker. There were lots of boats out there doing the night fishing thing.
  • CrstyCptSWitherspoonCrstyCptSWitherspoon Posts: 590 Officer
    If there's no law against it and you have all the required lighting then how would they throw you in cuffs? Don't get me wrong, the coast guard is the last form of law enforcement that I would want to **** off but still, how would they justify throwing you in cuffs and making you loose $3000-$7000+ in kayak+gear if you were just out at night and they personally didn't like it?
  • ReddsharkkReddsharkk Posts: 37 Deckhand
    technically, all we need is an electronic signaling torch although that is not safe and is frowned upon by law enforcement and regular boaters.

    just like these open carry guys and people filming the cops, you may be legally right but what will it cost you in time, effort and reputation for other yakkers?

    at the same time, law enforcements go to "ill lock you up and sort it out later" is also just a bully tactic. At some point someone has to stand up.

    I take the calculated night fishing risk all the time but havent been doing it in open ocean, just the intracoastal. Just like i freedive all the time and hear boaters speeding by in the open ocean and am close enough to hear them say "you have to be 100 feet away" (wrong!) and they arent even that far. We could be killed on our drive back home and I choose to take more risks than most. YOLO
  • kayakfrankkayakfrank Posts: 791 Officer
    Reddsharkk wrote: »

    I take the calculated night fishing risk all the time but havent been doing it in open ocean, just the intracoastal. Just like i freedive all the time and hear boaters speeding by in the open ocean and am close enough to hear them say "you have to be 100 feet away" (wrong!) and they arent even that far. We could be killed on our drive back home and I choose to take more risks than most. YOLO

    :thumbsup
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  • John McKroidJohn McKroid Posts: 1,684 Captain
    Pottymouth wrote: »
    Lmao.. . almost forgot coast guard hears about it you will be escorted back to the beach. Been escorted back 2x. Good luck fellas.

    On what grounds...for what reason did the Coast Guard give you for requiring you to go back to shore ?
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