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  • Hickory DogHickory Dog Posts: 5,047 Officer
    White Dog wrote: »
    Terrorist sympathizer......nothing else explains it.
    Answer this, it's a yes or no....none of your ilk has bothered.....If hamas stopped shooting rockets, would Israel Have had to go into gaza?
    Yes or no?

    A better question is if I took your land, put your kids in a ghetto, denied you the right to travel, and ended your ability to make a living would you lay down and take it like a ***** or would you fight back?

    I'm sure you would lay right down, wouldn't you?
  • tagtag Posts: 8,794 Admiral
    Here's a thought, maybe if the Palestinians would recognize Israel's right to exist the Israelis would recognize Palestinian rights.
  • ac2020ac2020 Posts: 5,730 Officer
    bullgator wrote: »
    More of your "truth"? We give the Palestinians around $500 million dollars every year.

    I know it's hard for right-wingers to understand, but despite the propaganda you have absorbed over the last 13 years of right-wing media - 'Palestine', 'Hamas', 'Muslims', 'Arabs', and 'terrorists' are NOT interchangeable terms.

    Israel is a terrorist state and the world is beginning to see through their "victim" BS (well, besides the American idiotic, ignorant, and brainwashed right-wing as usual).

    Israel shells UN shelter: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza
    The only time republicans and democrats are right is when they're blaming each other. :USA
  • Hickory DogHickory Dog Posts: 5,047 Officer
    chubasco wrote: »
    "Seized" from who. The "Palestinian territory" was British since the end of WWI when the British seized it from the Ottoman Empire after they were on the losing side of the war (the name for the area given to it by the British was the Palestinian territory). The Balfour Declaration in 1917 set forth the British plan to divide this area and establish a two states in this area, one Jewish and one Arab. The UN followed through in 1947.

    Should the are be given back to the Turks who owned it since the late 1600's or should it go back to the group that owned it before the Turks?
    The Zionist movement kidnapped British soldiers, murdered them and rigged their bodies with explosives. They bombed civilians repeatedly. What do we call that again?
  • Hickory DogHickory Dog Posts: 5,047 Officer
    tag wrote: »
    Here's a thought, maybe if the Palestinians would recognize Israel's right to exist the Israelis would recognize Palestinian rights.
    I'm planning an armed take over of your house and property in the near future. I hope you can recognize my right to exist on your property so I don't have to resort to violence to remove you.
  • tagtag Posts: 8,794 Admiral
    I'm planning an armed take over of your house and property in the near future. I hope you can recognize my right to exist on your property so I don't have to resort to violence to remove you.

    Man are you lost.
  • Hickory DogHickory Dog Posts: 5,047 Officer
    tag wrote: »
    Man are you lost.

    You ran away from my question - How did the Zionist movement acquire the land that is modern day Israel?

    Notice I did not ask you for your faulty view of ancient tribal issues - I am asking about modern Israel. Why are you guys so scared to answer that question?
  • sjm1582002sjm1582002 Posts: 4,309 Captain
    tag wrote: »
    Here's a thought, maybe if the Palestinians would recognize Israel's right to exist the Israelis would recognize Palestinian rights.

    There is our dilemma.

    The Arabs view the recent European conquest of their lands no differently than the Vietnamese viewed us, the French, or the Chinese.

    They never stopped fighting and they eventually exhausted, defeated, and expelled the invaders.

    That is their shared histories and the Arabs believe that is also their destiny.

    The modern day crusaders can "recognize" that.
  • MRichardsonMRichardson Posts: 6,677 Admiral

    Liberals are almost always, on the wrong side of every issue.

    That is a lazy answer.
    Basically, anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal.
    If you don't like the taste of cobia, and I do, that makes me a liberal?
    Or maybe you're the liberal since you'd be on the wrong side of this particular issue.
  • Hickory DogHickory Dog Posts: 5,047 Officer
    That is a lazy answer.
    Basically, anyone who disagrees with you is a liberal.
    If you don't like the taste of cobia, and I do, that makes me a liberal?
    Or maybe you're the liberal since you'd be on the wrong side of this particular issue.
    P. P. takes being wrong to an art form. Take his screen name for example - Pescatoral? Unless that is a coded reference to his sexual fetishes I can only assume he was trying for Piscatorial.
  • bullgatorbullgator Posts: 1,940 Officer
    I know it's hard for right-wingers to understand, but despite the propaganda you have absorbed over the last 13 years of right-wing media - 'Palestine', 'Hamas', 'Muslims', 'Arabs', and 'terrorists' are NOT interchangeable terms.

    Israel is a terrorist state and the world is beginning to see through their "victim" BS (well, besides the American idiotic, ignorant, and brainwashed right-wing as usual).





    Facts are stubborn things. We give $500 million to the Palestinians and you claim we are not supporting their leadership. Your hatred towards Israel has left you so blind that you won't even admit that the US supports both sides of this conflict. You have no credibility.
  • ac2020ac2020 Posts: 5,730 Officer
    bullgator wrote: »


    Facts are stubborn things. We give $500 million to the Palestinians and you claim we are not supporting their leadership. Your hatred towards Israel has left you so blind that you won't even admit that the US supports both sides of this conflict. You have no credibility.

    So get your **** facts right.

    We give nearly 10 Million a DAY to Israel's government/military operations
    We give NOTHING to Palestinian military operations.
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

    The money we give to Palestine goes to humanitarian aid.
    The money we give to Israel goes to their military operations which have killed over 1000 civilians THIS month alone - including hundreds of women and children.

    By the sheer body count alone - Israel is a bigger terrorist thread to the world than Palestine. That's a fact for you - and the rest of the American-right.
    The only time republicans and democrats are right is when they're blaming each other. :USA
  • SWFL_F1sh0nSWFL_F1sh0n Posts: 17,248 Officer
    snipper wrote: »
    Palestine is a British term for an area they controlled in the middle east. Its not a group of people. Maybe read a book

    perhaps you need to read a different book.
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  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    Neither side in this conflict is innocent. BUT the western media ("liberal" as they may be) certainly has a bias towards Israel and against the Palestinians for sure.

    Ever hear of Mossad? They practice terrorism. They are good at it too.
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  • bullgatorbullgator Posts: 1,940 Officer
    You ran away from my question - How did the Zionist movement acquire the land that is modern day Israel?

    Notice I did not ask you for your faulty view of ancient tribal issues - I am asking about modern Israel. Why are you guys so scared to answer that question?

    In 1947 the UN General Assembly decided that upon expiration of the British Mandate, Palestine would be partitioned into a Arab state and a Jewish state (for the 630,000 Jews already living there). Arab population was roughly twice that. If you believe the land was populated entirely by Arabs and the Jews swept in from afar and stole their land, you believe in fiction. Palestine was a mixed state that was partitioned by the UN. We may see something similar happen in Iraq along Sunni, *****e, and Kurd lines.
  • SWFL_F1sh0nSWFL_F1sh0n Posts: 17,248 Officer
    bullgator wrote: »
    In 1947 the UN General Assembly decided that upon expiration of the British Mandate, Palestine would be partitioned into a Arab state and a Jewish state (for the 630,000 Jews already living there). Arab population was roughly twice that. If you believe the land was populated entirely by Arabs and the Jews swept in from afar and stole their land, you believe in fiction. Palestine was a mixed state that was partitioned by the UN. We may see something similar happen in Iraq along Sunni, *****e, and Kurd lines.

    More like 450K, 250K of those which came in merely 4 years . . 1936-1940. Perhaps the UN will give Texas, AZ and NM back to Mexico as well.
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  • bullgatorbullgator Posts: 1,940 Officer
    ac2020 wrote: »
    So get your **** facts right.

    We give nearly 10 Million a DAY to Israel's government/military operations
    We give NOTHING to Palestinian military operations.
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

    The money we give to Palestine goes to humanitarian aid.
    The money we give to Israel goes to their military operations which have killed over 1000 civilians THIS month alone - including hundreds of women and children.

    By the sheer body count alone - Israel is a bigger terrorist thread to the world than Palestine. That's a fact for you - and the rest of the American-right.

    Actually I don't think we should be giving money to either group. But I do know we give the Palestinians $500 million dollars a year. I also know the Palestinians manage to acquire tens of thousands of rockets they aim at Israel. If I could get someone to pay for my groceries, I'd probably be able to afford a couple new guns. America is supporting both sides in this conflict whether you choose to admit it or not.
  • SWFL_F1sh0nSWFL_F1sh0n Posts: 17,248 Officer
    bullgator wrote: »
    Actually I don't think we should be giving money to either group. But I do know we give the Palestinians $500 million dollars a year. I also know the Palestinians manage to acquire tens of thousands of rockets they aim at Israel. If I could get someone to pay for my groceries, I'd probably be able to afford a couple new guns. America is supporting both sides in this conflict whether you choose to admit it or not.

    What makes you think American $'s are actually making to Palestine and no being subjected to a Israeli tax?
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  • stsimonsstsimons Posts: 7,291 Officer
    What makes you think American $'s are actually making to Palestine and no being subjected to a Israeli tax?

    Right…

    maybe the palestinians can put that money to good use and rig some more suicide donkeys.

    Donkey suicide bomb stopped by Israeli troops in Gaza

    Troops say they were forced to open fire on the animal as it approached their position in the southern city of Rafah, near the Egyptian border...
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    YEHIDA MASSACRE

    13 December 1947: men of the Arab village of Yehiday (near Petah Tekva, the first Zionist settlement to be established) met at the local coffee house when they saw a British Army patrol enter the village, they were reassured espeically that Jewish terrorists had murdered 12 Palestinians the previous day. The four cars stopped in front of the cafe house and out stepped men dressed in khaki uniforms and steel helmets. However, it soon became apparent that they had not come to protect the villagers. With machine guns they sprayed bullets into the crowd gathered in the coffee house. Some of the invaders placed bombs next to Arab homes while other disguised terrorists tossed grenades at civilians. For a while it seemed as if the villagers would be annihilated but soon a real British patrol arrived to foil the well organized killing raid. The death toll of 7 Arab civilans could have been much higher. Earlier the same day 6 Arabs were killed and 23 wounded when home made bombs were tossed at a crowd of Arabs standing near the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem. In Jaffa another bomb killed six more Arabs and injured 40.

    KHISAS MASSACRE

    18 December 1947: Two carloads of Haganah terrorists drove through the village of Khisas (on the Lebanese Syrian border) firing machine guns and throwing grenades. 10 Arab civilians were killed in the raid.

    QAZAZA MASSACRE

    19 December 1947: 5 Arab children were murdered when Jewish terrorists blew up the house of the village Mukhtar.

    AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE MASSACRE

    1 January 1948: On that night around two hundred Zionists armed with hand grenades and machine guns sneaked into a small village called al-Shaikh village (5 km South East of Haifa). The attackers came through the southern hills (most possibly from Nisher Jewish settlement wich lies about 5 km south of the village). They attacked the houses on the edges of the village with hand-grenades and finished off with machine-guns killing around 40 of the Palestinians inhibitants of the village, mostly women and children.

    DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE

    9-10 April 1948: The massacre that became the symbol of Zionist aggression against the Palestinians as well as Zionist treachery. The Mukhtar of the village had agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence provided their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their side of the promise. In an operation which was called Operation Unity, the Haganah co-operated with the Irgun and the Stern Gang in this operation. At 4:30 am on Friday 9th April 1948 surrounded the village which was overlooked by two Jewish settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore. For two days Zionist terrorists killed men women and children, **** women and stole their jewellery. A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself - the mopping up - as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the "mopping up" had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered inthe hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.

    NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE

    13-14 April 1948: A contingent of Lehi and Irgun entered this village (near Tiberias) entered the village on the night of 13 April dressed as Arab fighters. Upon their entrance to the village the people went out to greet them, the terrorists met them with fire, killing every single one of them. Only 40 people survived. All the houses of the village were raised to the ground.

    BEIT DARAS MASSACRE

    21 May 1948: After a number of failed attempts to occupy this village, the Zionists mobilized a large contingent and surrounded the village. The people of Beit Daras decided that women and children should leave. As women and children left the village they were met by the Zionist army who massacred them despite the fact that they could see they were women and children fleeing the fighting.

    THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE

    11 July 1948: After the Israeli 89th Commando Battalion lead by Moshe Dayan occupied Lydda, the Israelis told Arabs through loudspeakers that if they went into a certain mosque they would be safe. In retaliation for a hand grenade attack after the surrender that killed several Israeli soldiers, 80-100 Palestinians were massacred in the mosque, their bodies lay decomposing for 10 days in the mid-summer heat. The mosque still stands abandoned today. This massacre spread fear and panic among the Arab population of Lydda and Ramle, who were then ordered to march out of these towns after they were stripped of all personal belonging by Israeli soldiers. Yitzhak Rabin, Brigade Commander then says: "There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march ten to fifteen miles to the point where they met up with the legion." Most of the 60,000 inhabitants of Lydda and Ramble came to refugee camps near Ramallah, around 350 lost their lives on the way through dehydration and son stroke. Many survived by drinking their own urine. The conditions in the refugee camps were to claim more lives.

    DAWAYMA MASSACRE

    29 October 1948: The following is the testimony of a Jewish soldier who participated in the occupation of the village of Dawayma (in the Haifa subdistrict): "...They killed between 80 to 100 Arab men women and children. To kill children they factured their heads with sticks. There was not one home left without corpses .... One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a building he was about to blow up... Another soldier prided himself on having **** an Arab women before shooting her to death..." The massacre was perpetrated by the 89th Battalion, the authors of Lydda massacre.

    SHARAFAT MASSACRE

    7 Febraury 1951: Israeli soldiers corssed the armistice line to this village (5 km from Jerusalem) and blew up the houses of the Mukhtar and his neighbors. 10 were killed (2 elderly men, 3 woemen and 5 children) and 8 were wounded.

    KIBYA MASSACRE

    14 October 1953: 9:30 pm about 700 regular Israeli troops attacked the border Jordanian village of Kibya, north west of Jerusalem. Using mortars, machine guns, rifles and explosives they blew up 42 houses, the local schools and the mosque. Every man woman and child found by these ciminals was killed. 75 innocent villagers were murdered in cold blood. The raids were ordered by Ariel Sharon.

    KAFR QASEM MASSACRE

    29 October 1956: Israeli frontier guards started at 4 pm what they called a tour of the Triangle Villages. They told the Mukhtars of those villages that the curfew from that day onwards was to start from 5 pm instead of 6 pm. They reached Kafr Qasem around 4:45 and informed the Mukhtar protested that there are about 400 villagers working outside the village and there is not enough time to inform them of the new times. An officer assured him that they will be taken care of. Then the guards waited at the entrance to the village. 43 Kafr Qasem inhabitants were massacred in cold blood by the army as they returned from work, their crime was violating a curfew they did not know about. On the northern entrance of the village 3 were killed and 2 were killed inside of the village. Amongst the dead were men, women, and children. Lutanat Danhan was touring the area in his jeep reporting the massacre, on his wireless he said "minus 15 Arabs" after a while his message on the radio to his H.Q. was "it is difficult to count".

    AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE

    13 November 1966: Israeli forces raided this village, destroyed 125 houses, the village clinic and school as well as 15 houses in a neighbouring village. 18 people were killed and 54 wounded.

    THE SABRA AND SHATILA MASSACRE

    15-18 September 1982: After the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Phalangist puppets of the Israelis massacred over 3000 Palestinian men, women and children under the watchful eyes of the Israeli army. A body count by the International Committee of the Red Cross revealed 2750 dead, the real figure is thought to be much higher and may never be known.

    OYON QARA MASSACRE (RISHON LEZION:

    20 May 1990: An Israeli soldier lined up Palestinian laborers and murdered seven of them with a sub-machine gun. 13 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in subsequent demonstrations at the massacre.

    AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE

    8 October 1990: Israeli police opened fire on worshipers in al-Aqsa mosque killing 22 people.

    THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE

    25 February 1994: A Jewish terrorist, from Keryat Arba' settlement massacred 50 worshipers in the Ibrahimi Mosque in al-Khalil (Hebron) and wounded about 200. Later massive demonstrations took to the streets of Palestine and the Zionist army responded by live ammunitions, killing 23 and wounding hundreds more. Reports indicate there were 3 Jewish settler gunners, not only one.

    THE JABALIA MASSACRE

    28 March 1994: A Jewish undercover police opened fire on Palestinian activists brutally killing 6 and injuring 49. Some of the wounded activists were taken out of their cars and shot in their heads to death.

    ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE

    17 July 1994: Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against Palestinian workers at Eretz Checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. Israeli sources also reported that 21 Israeli soldiers including 1 settler were injured. Two soldiers were shot by bullets, one died. As reported by Palestinian and Israeli sources, the scene was described as a war zone which lasted for 6 hours. Four Israeli tanks and helicopters were brought by the occupation forces, while a number of settlers took part firing at Palestinians. Protests had spread all over the Occupied Territories. In Gaza, Palestinians raised black flags and called for revenge. In Ramallah, shops closed while several clashes were reported. Several clashes were reported at Hebron University yesterday, and today two Palestinians were shot in Hebron.


    These are just some of the massacres committed against the Palestinians by the Zionists. If the raids on southern Lebanon old and new were to be taken account the true magnitude of Zionist crimes against humanity could start to emerge. If one were to go into the gruesome details of the atrocities committed in 1948 the "mopping up operations", the deliberate humiliation and massacre of Arabs and the desecration of the holy places of both Muslim and Christian as well as the looting of these holy places and personal property by the Israeli army and settlers, one might just start to appreciate what Zionism is all about.


    Quotes from the Jewish Bible, the Torah:

    "Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:
    And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it"

    Numbers 33:52,53


    "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ***, with the edge of the sword."

    Joshua 6:21
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  • stsimonsstsimons Posts: 7,291 Officer
    Once again. Would the palestinians be getting their arises handed to them right now if they had not fired on Israel.

    Yes or no?
  • SWFL_F1sh0nSWFL_F1sh0n Posts: 17,248 Officer
    stsimons wrote: »
    Once again. Would the palestinians be getting their arises handed to them right now if they had not fired on Israel.

    Yes or no?

    Again, Yes
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  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    stsimons wrote: »
    Once again. Would the palestinians be getting their arises handed to them right now if they had not fired on Israel.

    Yes or no?

    Israel started the blockade first. Amazing the restraint the Palestinian Arabs are showing.
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  • SWFL_F1sh0nSWFL_F1sh0n Posts: 17,248 Officer
    Again, Yes

    Israel was already destroying Palestinian homes in Gaza this spring, they have simply moved from Cat's to M-1 Abrams.
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  • sjm1582002sjm1582002 Posts: 4,309 Captain
    "UN mandates"?

    How amusing, and quite meaningless.

    Got any "League of Nations declarations" you'd like to share?
  • stsimonsstsimons Posts: 7,291 Officer
    That is hilarious. Why the blockade in place again? Certainly it didn't have anything to do with the palestinians importing rockets and weapons.
  • stsimonsstsimons Posts: 7,291 Officer
    Cyclist wrote: »
    Israel started the blockade first. Amazing the restraint the Palestinian Arabs are showing.

    Yeah, about as much "restraint" as terror tunnels and a few thousand rockets will allow right?
  • SWFL_F1sh0nSWFL_F1sh0n Posts: 17,248 Officer
    stsimons wrote: »
    That is hilarious. Why the blockade in place again? Certainly it didn't have anything to do with the palestinians importing rockets and weapons.

    So since Hamas has continued to get rockets and weapons those should probably be lifted again.
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  • stsimonsstsimons Posts: 7,291 Officer
    Israel was already destroying Palestinian ROCKET POSITIONS and HOMES OF SUSPECTED MILITANTS in Gaza this spring, they have simply moved from Cat's to M-1 Abrams.

    FIFY
  • stsimonsstsimons Posts: 7,291 Officer
    So since Hamas has continued to get rockets and weapons those should probably be lifted again.

    Wow, stellar logic. So the palestinians are so desperate to kill and so crafty that they can circumvent sanctions designed to prevent them from killing. Thanks for making that point clear.
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