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  • notreelynotreely Posts: 653 Officer
    Ironically it seems to me the ones who are doing that are the federal permit holders when they let King Roy dictate to them what they can and can't legally do in "State" waters. :shrug Did you sign all your rights over to Roy for the permit privilege or just those?:huh

    The states or no one else even remotely mentioned taking control away from the councils until the council's decided they were somehow entitled to control what happens in federal AND state waters.

    Just more big ego power grabs partially fueled by the " Patriot Act" which has blurred the lines of separation of powers between the feds and the states at many levels. Hell, every FFWCC officer is walking around cross deputized as a federal law enforcement officer now.:rotflmao

    But if the councils keep picking fights with the states they will eventually lose, that I guarantee you. Having all the shares won't do you any good if there are no ports for you to legally commercially land the fish at. Just ask Gene R.'s boys how that worked out for them with the redfish back in the day.:grin

    I'm sorry bumpkin, I made an incorrect assessment about yours and others urinary habits.

    After further examination of your last post and the posts of others, I've come to a different conclusion.

    You guys are not squatting and peeing!

    Your pissing your Pants!
  • BubbaIIBubbaII Posts: 328 Deckhand
    Tom Hilton wrote: »
    I'll provide specifics when you provide specifics on what would happen when/if an IFQ system was implemented in the Gulf recreational fisheries.

    Capt. Tom,

    I still can't understand how you and others constantly ask people what an IFQ will look like before the Council designs it.
  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,595 Captain
    Bubba,
    Maybe instead of looking ahead, maybe you should look at what has already happened when they apply sectors/IFQs to charter operations;

    http://www.alaskacharter.org/ TOTAL AND COMPLETE DISASTER. MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONTACT THIS, THE LARGEST CHARTER ORGANIZATION IN ALASKA AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK OF SECTORS/IFQS.

    Maybe you should take a look at what happened here in the Gulf when they implemented IFQs in the commercial red snapper fishery - it will be the same with the charter boys. MOST OF THE PERMIT HOLDERS WERE ELIMINATED FROM THE FISHERY - FACT.

    Maybe you should be asking why the headboat efp got over twice the average poundage per boat than what the Gulf-wide headboat landings showed. THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP - IF THEY DO, PLEASE SHOW US BUBBA.

    Maybe you should be asking why the Alabama Charterboat Cooperative is slated to get over 4,000 pounds per vessel when it is clear that cannot possibly be the case for ALL Gulf charter boats. THIS 4,000 POUNDS WAS DERIVED FROM USING THE FLAWED FEDERAL LANDINGS DATA - WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE TEXAS CHARTER BOATS WHO LOOK TO DIVIDE UP ABOUT 39,000 POUNDS BETWEEN 200 BOATS? (195 POUNDS PER BOAT - NOT 4,000 POUNDS - QUITE A DISCREPANCY THAT HAS YET TO BE EXPLAINED)

    If you are not asking those types of questions NOW, considering that they present valid concerns, then WHY NOT? THIS IS ESPECIALLY POIGNANT SINCE THE COUNCIL IS APPARENTLY LOOKING TO DESIGN THE SYSTEM - THE MORE DATA THE BETTER RIGHT, AND WHY RE-INVENT THE WHEEL HERE? UNFORTUNATELY, THE MORE DATA YOU BRING TO THE TABLE ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF AN IFQ SYSTEM, THE WORSE IT LOOKS, DOESN'T IT?
  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    BubbaII wrote: »
    Capt. Tom,

    I still can't understand how you and others constantly ask people what an IFQ will look like before the Council designs it.

    I still can't understand how you and others constantly ask people to get on board with the SS and IFQ train without knowing any details on how it will work and what scenarios already have been discussed. You seem to want the "Law Passed" FIRST.......then be able to determine how it will run. "Council Design it"? Really?

    Why is it so hard to get a straight answer out of the guys pushing this scheme? No one with a sane mind would
    want on board this scheme if they already did not have an idea of the outcome. Is the scenario so bad for everyone else not gifted a guaranteed share so bad that they are unwilling to share what they already expect?

    Or....are you simply suggesting that we should all agree to give a signed check with the amount left blank and the name left blank.....from a publicly funded account and "Trust" that the right thing will be done?
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 12,236 AG

    .............Or....are you simply suggesting that we should all agree to give a signed check with the amount left blank and the name left blank.....from a publicly funded account and "Trust" that the right thing will be done?

    I believe that is exactly what they are asking for.
    "Just go along with us and trust us we will do the right thing"

    Sure, sounds like a great idea to me, especially since they handled it so well when it was shown that the vast majority of the stakeholders wanted nothing to do with SS or IFQ's
    It was a load of crap from the get go back at the first Sector separation meeting in Tampa.
    THERE SHOULD BE NO COMMERCIAL FISHING ALLOWED FOR ANY SPECIES THAT IS CONSIDERED OVERFISHED.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 12,412 AG
    Gulf red snapper recreational fishing workshops start this month

    The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) has scheduled a series of Gulf of Mexico red snapper workshops for recreational stakeholders beginning in late July to discuss state and federal management of recreational red snapper. The workshops will also explore potential future approaches to managing this fishery in an effort to ensure optimal access for Florida’s resident and visiting anglers.
    Anglers who would like to share their ideas and help improve management are encouraged to attend.
    All meetings will be from 6 to 8:30 p.m. local time and are set for:
    July 28: Pensacola, Pensacola City Hall (2nd-floor Hagler Mason room), 222 W. Main St.
    July 29: Destin, Destin Community Center, 101 Stahlman Ave.
    July 30: Panama City, Florida State University – Panama City, lecture hall of Holley Center, 4750 Collegiate Drive
    July 31: Carrabelle, Carrabelle City Hall cafeteria, 1001 Gray Ave.
    Aug. 11: St. Petersburg, Fish and Wildlife Research Institute, 3rd-floor conference room, 100 Eighth Ave. SE.
    Red snapper in the Gulf of Mexico off Florida are managed by the FWC in state waters (from shore to 9 nautical miles) and by the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council in federal waters (beyond 9 nautical miles).
    These snapper are largely harvested in federal waters, but also occur and are harvested recreationally in state waters off northwest Florida. Because of management constraints, the federal season has consistently been shortened for several years in a row even though the recreational quota, or total poundage of fish that could be caught by anglers, has increased and the red snapper population has improved. This year’s federal season was the shortest yet, at nine days. Florida’s state season was 52 days.
    The FWC is seeking input from recreational anglers about how to better manage recreational harvest of this species at the state and federal level while continuing to rebuild the fishery. Several management options that are being considered for federal waters by the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council will be discussed, including sector separation, which entails dividing the federal recreational red snapper quota into separate private-angler and for-hire quotas; an individual fishing quota (IFQ) program for federally permitted charter and head boats, similar to the existing program for commercial vessels, which allots a specific portion of fish to individual vessels; and regional management, in which the recreational fishery in federal waters could be managed on a state-by-state basis.
    These workshops offer stakeholders an opportunity to share their expectations for the red snapper fishery and their ideas on potential management options for state and federal waters.
    Please call 850-487-0554 or email [email protected] for more information. Visit MyFWC.com/Fishing and click on “Saltwater” and “Rulemaking” for more on these workshops.

    AN/MFM
    WBD/SCB

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