Alligator county permit question

Lc-hunter86

Can anyone tell me if you are allowed to hunt the stretch of the St. John's with a county tag between poinsett and puzzle? In the interest of not giving away any secrets to the world you can pm if you have any info.

cfth

No you can not hunt that area.

The St. John's river is listed as a no hunting area.

Lc-hunter86

10 4 thanks

bgeorge

Based upon the descriptions it looks like the county permits would be good for the river between SR 50 and SR 520. Would still suggest giveing FWC a call. Steve Stiegler (850-488-3831) in the alligator program should be able to give you a ruleing.

bgeorge

Grayson is correct. I did not look at what is excluded from the county permit. Would think that no public waterway would not fall under one of the permits. I would give them a call.

mrbill

That's a big. No for that !!!!

Gone_Fishing

There are very few tags for Brevard County anyways. Tags are dominated by Hell'n'Blazes, Poinsette and North.

cfth

There are really very few places you can hunt on the brevard tag.

But one of the big areas is the Indian river near Titusville. Quite a few big gators come from there.

cfth

Now with that said if you would like a guide that's our home so to speak, and would love to take you.

Stillbroke

cfth wrote: »

No you can not hunt that area.

The St. John's river is listed as a no hunting area.

Where are you getting your info on the St. John's being a no hunt area. Some area may be but from I've read, you should be good to go.

Persons permitted to take alligators in county-wide harvest units will be allowed to take two alligators from any area that they could legally access in the specified county, including public and private lands and waters, but excluding specific water bodies established as alligator management units (listed on Page 2), private wetlands permitted for alligator management, and other protected public properties (exclusions are detailed below). Application and permit issuance procedures and participation requirements for the county-wide harvest units are the same as for other harvest units. It is strongly recommended that you know specific locations where you can legally harvest alligators in a county prior to applying for a county-wide permit.

Harvesting on County-wide Units is prohibited as follows: in privately-owned waters and wetlands, except where access has been granted by landowners; in water management district-owned (WMD) waters and wetlands, except as designated or where access has been granted by the WMD; in federally-owned lands, wildlife refuges, and parks, except where access has been granted by the managing federal agency; in state- owned parks, preserves, reserves, and wilderness areas, except aquatic preserves that may be designated; in Indian reservations and lands leased to Indian tribes, except as designated or where access has been granted by the landowners; in wildlife management, wildlife environmental, and public small-game hunting areas, except as designated; in incorporated cities and municipalities; in publicly-owned waters closed for scientific study or protection of alligator popula- tions; in privately-owned waters and wetlands included management programs governed by Rule 68A-25.032, F.A.C.; and in other Alligator Management Units established the respective counties.

bgeorge

Here is the text from the permit specific descriptions:
Management Unit #805: Brevard County
The state- and privately-owned waters and wetlands located within Brevard County outside of incorporated cities and municipalities that have public access or for which access has been granted for the purpose of harvesting alligators under this permit, excluding: the St. Johns River; Ruth, Clark, Sawgrass, and Little Sawgrass lakes; lakes Hell N’ Blazes, Washington, Winder, and Poinsett; Three Forks Marsh Conservation Area; the T.M. Goodwin Waterfowl Management Area; within 400 feet of the mean-high or ordinary-high waterline or within 400 feet of emergent vegetation bordering state parks, preserves and reserves; and any private lands included in management programs governed by Rule 68A-25.032, F.A.C.
Orange county is the same way.

cfth

Thanks Bill that is correct.

I have spent a lot of time with Steve Steigler and local fwc determining where I can and can not hunt.

520 to 50 def not an area you can hunt.

binellishtr

pretty dumb huh..

mikefm58

I could never figure out why that area was excluded, rumor has it the air boat tour operators had some say.

bgeorge

I will try to work with them to get it allowed. We should be able to hunt any sovereign waters under one of the permits.

binellishtr

it only takes one person to get things shut down in florida....but an army and year of sundays to get it back opened.

BOHICA

bgeorge

The suns rays can make an oak tree bend. It does not always take force. But when they know you will do the year of Sundays it helps.

binellishtr

:crossed

Gone_Fishing

bgeorge, I like your "filtered" county tag info on your website. You do mention that some of the harvest area descriptions are actually illegal. Any ones in particular?

bgeorge

Pinellas County - Lake Maggiore is a good example. People have been reporting gators from there in past years. It is completely in city limits, which is excluded from the county permit. Last year a person got in a major conflict while taking a gator from there. He took a very large gator and sought out media. At the end of the day he had a friend in FWC LE that had told him it was ok to hunt there so it just went poof. People have reported Walk in the Water for Polk County and that is a unit by itself. I have been trying to get FWC to make a list of known good and bad areas but they have been reluctant to put things in print.

Stillbroke

bgeorge wrote: »

Here is the text from the permit specific descriptions:
Management Unit #805: Brevard County
The state- and privately-owned waters and wetlands located within Brevard County outside of incorporated cities and municipalities that have public access or for which access has been granted for the purpose of harvesting alligators under this permit, excluding: the St. Johns River; Ruth, Clark, Sawgrass, and Little Sawgrass lakes; lakes Hell N’ Blazes, Washington, Winder, and Poinsett; Three Forks Marsh Conservation Area; the T.M. Goodwin Waterfowl Management Area; within 400 feet of the mean-high or ordinary-high waterline or within 400 feet of emergent vegetation bordering state parks, preserves and reserves; and any private lands included in management programs governed by Rule 68A-25.032, F.A.C.
Orange county is the same way.

Dang, good to know thanks for pointing that out because the rules as posted on the website are a little different. I'd be mad if I put in for a tag just to lean I couldn't hunt the area I wanted to hunt. Either way, thanks for clearing my mistake up.

Lc-hunter86

Stillbroke i got your pm...thanks. Guys i didnt get a permit for that area, but i was curious just because of the crazy amount of large gators ive seen in that stretch...I kinda figured it must not be hunted...kinda a shame really..