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  • Mango TangoMango Tango Posts: 2,018 Captain
    cadman wrote: »
    There is once the threat is removed. You can't shoot a man laying on the ground defenseless. Do it and you will go to jail in Florida.

    When a threat is removed and when a prone person is defenseless is a subjective call.
  • cadmancadman Posts: 43,580 AG
    When a threat is removed and when a prone person is defenseless is a subjective call.

    Not when you are recording it on video and audio.

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  • Mango TangoMango Tango Posts: 2,018 Captain
    cadman wrote: »
    You can't plan to kill the second intruder.

    Of course you can. You can develop a course of action that ensures your safety and removes each and every threat within your household.
  • cadmancadman Posts: 43,580 AG
    Of course you can. You can develop a course of action that ensures your safety and removes each and every threat within your household.

    You may end up in jail one day. There is a difference between ensuring your safety and hiding bodies to entice further intrusion that would not have occurred.

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  • Mango TangoMango Tango Posts: 2,018 Captain
    cadman wrote: »
    You may end up in jail one day. There is a difference between ensuring your safety and hiding bodies to entice further intrusion that would not have occurred.

    There are those words again........."enticing intrusion." Sounds like victim blaming to me. Am I enticing intrusion because I didn't shoot you during an earlier home invasion? I would have thought the sound of multiple gunshots would have nixed the enticement issue.
  • SJCSJC Posts: 2,572 Captain
    I like the fact he killed these worthless pices of crap BUT, what he did imo was murder. He was a hunter. He set a plan in motion and had the intent to kill. IF you did not have the intent or homicidal tendencies, I would think a NORMAL person would not welcome a home burgulary. He was angry, and vengeful because he suspected they robbed him before.

    If I were on that jury, I'd convict. They got it right.
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  • GA FinGA Fin Posts: 8,945 Admiral
    Two criminals are killed during a commission of a felony. Not phuxs given by me.
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    12 citizens found him guilty in a trial, but on here is innocent.

    :grin
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  • GA FinGA Fin Posts: 8,945 Admiral
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Convicted by jury in fair trial. Why would anyone have an issue with that?
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    12 citizens found him guilty in a trial, but on here is innocent.

    :grin
    :troll Maybe they think he is not guilty. Did you have an issue with the OJ verdict? How about the Casey Anthony verdict? How about the Zman verdict?
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  • cprcpr Posts: 9,299 Admiral
    Why are prosecutors trying to protect criminals?
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    GA Fin wrote: »
    :troll Maybe they think he is not guilty. Did you have an issue with the OJ verdict? How about the Casey Anthony verdict? How about the Zman verdict?

    Do you know of a better system of justice?
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  • GA FinGA Fin Posts: 8,945 Admiral
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Convicted by jury in fair trial. Why would anyone have an issue with that?
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Do you know of a better system of justice?
    Yep. A system were I rule by decree. You asked why anyone would have an issue of a conviction by jury in a "fair" trail. Why wouldn't someone have an issue with that? I gave examples of three "fair" trials that a great number of people have issues with.
    Straight white male living a life of privilege and proud of it.


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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    GA Fin wrote: »
    Yep. A system were I rule by decree. You asked why anyone would have an issue of a conviction by jury in a "fair" trail. Why wouldn't someone have an issue with that? I gave examples of three "fair" trials that a great number of people have issues with.

    Ok, you can have an issue, but it won't change the outcome, or mean anything in the next verdict someone disagrees with.
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  • SAENoleSAENole Posts: 11,477 AG
    Has anyone heard the audio?
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  • Mango TangoMango Tango Posts: 2,018 Captain
    SJC wrote: »
    I like the fact he killed these worthless pices of crap BUT, what he did imo was murder. He was a hunter. He set a plan in motion and had the intent to kill. IF you did not have the intent or homicidal tendencies, I would think a NORMAL person would not welcome a home burgulary. He was angry, and vengeful because he suspected they robbed him before.

    If I were on that jury, I'd convict. They got it right.

    I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what "normal people" would do or think. If I were a victim of multiple burglaries by drug addicts who incidentally had also stolen some of my weapons I would definitely be angry and prepared to take action for the inevitable "next time."

    The prosecutor in this case convinced a jury that this homeowner "welcomed" a home invasion but my sense of it is he wanted them to stop. Is that not what a "normal" person would want? He had called the police to try to get the burglaries to stop. But that didn't work out.

    He was a hunter, you and I are prior military trained with guns, trained to kill........I forfeit no rights under the Castle Doctrine because of my skill sets. When my 1911 goes bang during a home invasion it is with the intent to kill, and I will be angry and say a few expletives in the process. I might even toss the bullet ridden carcass into the front yard for easy pick up and to reduce the mess on my floor and the trauma to my family.

    I have a 60 inch flat screen visible through my bay windows to the street. It is known that I care for a terminally ill father and have prescription narcotics in the house. I leave my doors unlocked when I am home awake. There is video surveillance. I have a nice boat and vehicles parked about the property. But yet I sit on my sofa with my 7 yo and a concealed firearm "enjoying" the latest episode of My Little Pony. I am prepared for and have a plan to thwart a home invasion. So somehow I need to worry that a prosecuting atty is going to convince a jury that I enticed criminals to break into my house because I have nice stuff, and I was laying in wait with a weapon on my couch prepared and with plan to dispatch intruding criminal(s).

    In FL I would like to think a homeowner would stand a better chance, but likely would come down to the skills of a defense atty and/or jury selection.
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what "normal people" would do or think. If I were a victim of multiple burglaries by drug addicts who incidentally had also stolen my weapons I would definitely be angry and prepared to take action for the inevitable "next time."

    The prosecutor in this case convinced a jury that this homeowner "welcomed" a home invasion but my sense of it is he wanted them to stop. Is that not what a "normal" person would want? He had called the police to try to get the burglaries to stop. But that didn't work out.

    He was a hunter, you and I are prior military trained with guns, trained to kill........I forfeit no rights under the Castle Doctrine because if my skill sets. When my 1911 goes bang during a home invasion it is with the intent to kill, and I will be angry and say a few expletives in the process. I might even toss the bullet ridden carcass into the front yard for easy pick up and to reduce the mess on my floor and the trauma to my family.

    I have a 60 inch flat screen visible through my bay windows to the street. It is known that I care for a terminally ill father and have prescription narcotics in the house. I leave my doors unlocked when I am home awake. There is video surveillance. I have a nice boat and vehicles parked about the property. But yet I sit on my sofa with my 7 yo and a concealed firearm "enjoying" the latest episode of My Little Pony. I am prepared for and have a plan to thwart a home invasion. So somehow I need to worry that a prosecuting atty is going to convince a jury that I enticed criminals to break into my house because I have nice stuff, and I was laying in wait with a weapon on my couch prepared and with plan to dispatch intruding criminal(s).

    In FL I would like to think a homeowner would stand a better chance, but likely would come down to the skills of a defense atty and/or jury selection.
    You are paranoid.



    Go to 13:30 in the freaking recording if you think he is innocent. IF anyone still thinks he is innocent then you are freaking STUPID! HE says "sorry about that" then murders her and calls her a *****.




    And the jackazz waited until the next day to have a neighbor call the police. ****?
  • cprcpr Posts: 9,299 Admiral
    jad1097 wrote: »
    You are paranoid.



    Go to 13:30 in the freaking recording if you think he is innocent. IF anyone still thinks he is innocent then you are freaking STUPID! HE says "sorry about that" then murders her and calls her a *****.




    And the jackazz waited until the next day to have a neighbor call the police. ****?

    I think he said, "you die B". Pretty incriminating.
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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    SJC wrote: »
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    court documents that were not allowed as evidence showed Brady had broken into Smith's house and garage before. Brady and Kifer were also linked to another burglary the day before they were killed; stolen prescription drugs were found in the car they were driving.

    Judge Douglas Anderson excluded evidence about the teens' histories from the trial as irrelevant

    Indeed, we sure wouldn't want anybody thinking ill of these two fine young men...
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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    divn4$ wrote: »
    One was a girl, but who's keeping track.

    Yep, a dead scummy female...what's your point?
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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    GA Fin wrote: »
    I'm just glad the dead teens were white. We don't have to listen to Jesse and Al flap their man pleasers.

    Yes, it does remove that aspect

    but it makes no diff to me...white black hispanic asian male female...scum is scum..I don't care what flavor you call it.
    I doubt the world has lost much...
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  • cprcpr Posts: 9,299 Admiral
    The big picture is the guy did society a favor. A couple of dead perps might prevent others from breaking into a home. The prosecutor on the other hand just made protecting ones property more difficult.
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    "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    12 citizens found him guilty in a trial, but on here is innocent.

    :grin

    He is not "innocent"...He did murder those two POS teens...no real loss to the state of Georgia.

    His "planning" was flawed..as was his execution. Video and statements are what will convict someone..Remember, In AMERICA..they must prove the case...
    The smart defendant says absolutely nothing other than " I wish to speak to a lawyer" before he says a word about what happened.

    Two key points to keep in mind

    1) Dead men tell no tales

    2) even a fish wouldn't get caught if it kept its mouth shut.
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    Knots to be unraveled
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    duckmanJR wrote: »
    He is not "innocent"...He did murder those two POS teens...no real loss to the state of Georgia.

    His "planning" was flawed..as was his execution. Video and statements are what will convict someone..Remember, In AMERICA..they must prove the case...
    The smart defendant says absolutely nothing other than " I wish to speak to a lawyer" before he says a word about what happened.

    Two key points to keep in mind

    1) Dead men tell no tales

    2) even a fish wouldn't get caught if it kept its mouth shut.

    Generally speaking, smart people don't commit murder. Even a whole lot of dumb people don't commit murder.
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  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    duckmanJR wrote: »

    2) even a fish wouldn't get caught if it kept its mouth shut.

    I like that a lot.
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  • Mango TangoMango Tango Posts: 2,018 Captain
    jad1097 wrote: »



    Go to 13:30 in the freaking recording if you think he is innocent.




    FWIW MN law in this case.............

    "The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode."

    Criminals in MN should think twice about home invasion. Even more so if the homeowner is really pissed or not quite right in the head.
  • tankardtankard Posts: 7,030 Admiral
    duckmanJR wrote: »
    Just two dead scumbags...what's the big deal....Is there a shortage?


    No, I guess not.

    You're still here...
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    tankard wrote: »
    No, I guess not.

    You're still here...

    Now you went and done it Tanktard...I'm crying. :rotflmao
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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Generally speaking, smart people don't commit murder. Even a whole lot of dumb people don't commit murder.

    Intelligence is the least reliable predictor of proclivity to commit murder as anything....

    The difference between "smart" murderers and dumb ones...is that the smart ones walk free.
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    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    duckmanJR wrote: »
    Intelligence is the least reliable predictor of proclivity to commit murder as anything....

    The difference between "smart" murderers and dumb ones...is that the smart ones walk free.

    Or are not identified.
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