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  • Steve WSteve W Posts: 613 Officer
    Uh, nothing "had" to happen. Its an ancient story developed by Jews which was co-opted by the early Catholic Church. as a lawful precedence of their messianic mandate. What is very strange is that I've never met a Jew who believed that it was anything more than a story, which it is.

    Why is that strange? They don't believe Jesus is the Messiah either.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    Steve W wrote: »
    Why is that strange?

    They made up the story, Steve.
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  • SinjunmbSinjunmb Posts: 91 Greenhorn
    Of course there was lots of filler, the story of Noah was only two pages in the Old Testament book of genesis. It's hard getting two hours of movie out two pages.
  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,826 AG
    Noah's Ark & the Flood are complete fiction, w/o any bearing on the history of life on Earth or geology.

    Glenn Beck said something to the effect that if you want to see a biblical movie 'Noah' ain't it.

    Don't think of it as a Russel Crowe movie. It's a Jennifer Connelly movie.
  • Afishy1Afishy1 Posts: 676 Officer
    Saw Mr. Peabody and Sherman with my nine year old boy today. More bang for your movie buck.
  • MACDMACD Posts: 5,008 Admiral
    Uh, nothing "had" to happen. Its an ancient story developed by Jews which was co-opted by the early Catholic Church. as a lawful precedence of their messianic mandate. What is very strange is that I've never met a Jew who believed that it was anything more than a story, which it is.

    Peter seemed to have believed it.

    Isn't He the gatekeeper?
  • gregglgreggl Posts: 21,594 Officer
    Someone always gets upset when the movie is better than the book.
  • BallaCoiPersiciBallaCoiPersici Posts: 8,384 Admiral
    Noah's Ark & the Flood are complete fiction, w/o any bearing on the history of life on Earth or geology.
    Let that yoldash has read this and you're in the troubles :grin.

    (http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?147979-Ping-Forum-User-yoldash).
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  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    MACD wrote: »
    Peter seemed to have believed it.

    Isn't He the gatekeeper?

    That and many other implausible explanations for things we now know the mechanics of were satisfactory in the construction of ancient theology.

    I don't think Peter is deserving of a capitalization as a personal pronoun.
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  • Michael RepperMichael Repper Posts: 4,897 Officer
    Steve W wrote: »
    There is a time frame of 100 years between Noah's sone births and completing the ark, so something interesting had to happen in between there.

    Don't you know that there are two different versions of that in the Bible? In Genesis 6 it says 2 of every animal, in Genesis 7 it says 7 of every clean animal. Make up its mind, Bible-writers-who-died-a-long-time-before-we-even-knew-that-germs-make-us-sick-and-not-spirits.

    Also, you should read it again, since you seem to be confused on this point.
  • Steve WSteve W Posts: 613 Officer
    Don't you know that there are two different versions of that in the Bible? In Genesis 6 it says 2 of every animal, in Genesis 7 it says 7 of every clean animal. Make up its mind, Bible-writers-who-died-a-long-time-before-we-even-knew-that-germs-make-us-sick-and-not-spirits.

    Also, you should read it again, since you seem to be confused on this point.

    No confusion on my part you seem confused, it says it plainly.
  • jad1097jad1097 Posts: 9,611 Admiral
    Steve W wrote: »
    No confusion on my part you seem confused, it says it plainly.


    Indeed, it does:

    Genesis 6

    New International Version (NIV)

    11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress[c] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high.[d] 16 Make a roof for it, leaving below the roof an opening one cubit[e] high all around.[f] Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. 17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”

    22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.





    Genesis 7

    New International Version (NIV)


    7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”
  • Michael RepperMichael Repper Posts: 4,897 Officer
    Steve W wrote: »
    No confusion on my part you seem confused, it says it plainly.

    Yes, it does plainly say it two different ways.

    This isn't the first time I've had to point this out to you, either.

    Genesis 6:19

    "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

    Genesis 7:2

    "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

    Please stop lecturing others about it when you are yourself uninformed on the subject.

    edit: Looks like Jad beat me to it.
  • Steve WSteve W Posts: 613 Officer
    Yes, it does plainly say it two different ways.

    This isn't the first time I've had to point this out to you, either.

    Genesis 6:19

    "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

    Genesis 7:2

    "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female."

    Please stop lecturing others about it when you are yourself uninformed on the subject.

    edit: Looks like Jad beat me to it.

    What are you talking about?

    Are you really unable to allow for further clarification of instructions?

    Yes, it says two of every kind, then for FURTHER clarification Noah is told to bring seven of clean animals.

    What's the big deal here?

    I suppose you guys think you caught God making a goof.

    Do you understand there is a period of approximately 70 years between chapter 6 and chapter 7.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    Steve W wrote: »
    I suppose you guys think you caught God making a goof.

    :grin

    God didn't do anything. The many translators , editors and publishers, over the centuries were keen to add and delete things that made sense to them without checking for conflicts and correcting for errors.
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  • Michael RepperMichael Repper Posts: 4,897 Officer
    Steve W wrote: »
    I suppose you guys think you caught God making a goof.

    :Spittingcoffee

    I think the goof would be on the hands of the ancient tribal people who passed down these old wives tales as something more than what they were, those who have employed them for their own benefit and power forever thereafter, and last but certainly not least, those who are willfully ignorant of the first two.
  • Steve WSteve W Posts: 613 Officer
    Ok, well I'm clear on where you're coming from on this, so happy fools day.
  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    They made up the story, Steve.

    not even, they did a rewrite of the old sumerian tale:

    http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm
  • PINK SNAPPER SNATCHERPINK SNAPPER SNATCHER Posts: 177 Deckhand
    Darren Aronofsky is a cousin to Miami Puck Stan and Richard A on the forum...
  • Fish HaidFish Haid Posts: 8,417 Admiral
    I just realized that you guys are talking about a new movie called Noah in theaters. I was talking about one I saw on TV last weekend. I looked it up, and it was actually "Noah's Ark". This one: http://www.christianfilmdatabase.com/review/noahs-ark/

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  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 16,666 AG
    They even had April Fool's Day on the Ark ....

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  • Michael RepperMichael Repper Posts: 4,897 Officer
    Steve W wrote: »
    There were no stow-aways on the Ark.

    :Spittingcoffee

    How do you claim to know the entire contents of a giant boat in an ancient story which could supposedly hold multiples of every animal on Earth? Can you at least admit that there is absolutely no way to verify this claim?
  • Triple Threat 33TTriple Threat 33T Posts: 18,668 AG
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  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,905 AG
    Yes Steve, there is a much more accurate story, but not a true one. It is still a story.
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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 7,239 Admiral
    Growing up in the South attending a Presbyterian church, I only heard about the one pair of every animal going on the ark. I never heard or read about the 7 pair of "clean" animals until Steve posted the bible verse.
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  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,388 AG
    What is meant by a 'clean' animal?
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,388 AG
    What is meant by a 'clean' animal?

    Nevermind, I just looked it up.....
    God states that cud-chewing animals with split hooves can be eaten (Leviticus:11:3; Deuteronomy:14:6). These specifically include the cattle, sheep, goat, deer and gazelle families (Deuteronomy:14:4-5). He also lists such animals as camels, rabbits and pigs as being unclean, or unfit to eat (Leviticus:11:4-8
    http://www.ucg.org/booklet/what-does-bible-teach-about-clean-and-unclean-meats/which-animals-clean-or-unclean/


    All I can say is. Thank God pigs made it on their own, without the help of Noah.....I'm not sure I would want to live in a world without the culinary delights of bacon, prosciutto, capicollo, BBQ'd baby back ribs etc...:wink
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