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  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    I can't believe there are no kill shelters for cats???

    .22's still too hard to find or what?

    No kill shelters are really just a misnomer. They leave the aggressive, severely emotional damaged, etc dogs out of their numbers.
  • Triple Threat 33TTriple Threat 33T Port CanaveralPosts: 18,669 Admin
    *irresponsible
    "Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. Amen."
  • Joey ButtonsJoey Buttons Posts: 11,849 AG
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Dog wasn't safe around children because you are/were an irresponisble owner..

    People like you need nothing more than a Finch..


    Dog was a rescue that was ruined beyond repair.

    Nice try though.


    People like me have recused and found homes for dozens of dogs.
  • PopeyePopeye Posts: 14,296 AG
    Johnny, I just took on a "stray kitten" she is so cute. Should I have her spayed?
  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    Folks should not put too much stock on anything Buttons or Pups say.....

    Both are basically figments of someone's internet imaginations. They run off at the mouth but hide their identities...

    Like I said in a previous post... Pups claims to live 15 or so miles from me. He would have folks believe his is acitive in dogs. Yet I have never come across the man.

    Aside from a few pictures of labs we do not know if Pups has ay real world exposure with dogs. Heck we do not know if he has any association with the dogs he posts. For all we know, he just grabbed those pics off the net somewhere..

    I could have checked him out long ago,..... But he is not worth 5 minutes of my life.
  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    Popeye wrote: »
    Johnny, I just took on a "stray kitten" she is so cute. Should I have her spayed?

    Do whatever you like. If you keep it, it is your cat..
  • Joey ButtonsJoey Buttons Posts: 11,849 AG
    You should run to Pups house.

    It will help with your diet.
  • Hickory DogHickory Dog Posts: 5,047 Admiral
    Gotcha.

    I knew you tucked tail.

    Sad and pathetic.
    The irony of this post in light of the fact that you were too afraid to meet POLAR for a beer is almost beyond belief.
  • pupraiserpupraiser Posts: 10,261 AG
    This is our Lab Girl at the Vet for her annual check up Saturday Morning...

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    Can't have a loose leash with your pup?!? LOL!

    If you have to co-own a dog then you shouldn't have it.

    If anyone takes your advise then they are deserve what they get.
  • pupraiserpupraiser Posts: 10,261 AG

    I am not saying there are not more dogs and cats than available homes.
    a) Some will use spay neuter and that is fine..

    JB, I'm just saying that there are better choices. Spaying and neutering is the best choice at this time.

    Call every cat no kill shelter within 20 miles of you and tell them you have a stray cat and you need them to take it. Report back what you find.

    THEN...call no kill shelters and tell them you want to bring in a pit pull and report back.

    I have experience with both. It's not pretty.
  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    pupraiser wrote: »
    JB, I'm just saying that there are better choices. Spaying and neutering is the best choice at this time.

    Call every cat no kill shelter within 20 miles of you and tell them you have a stray cat and you need them to take it. Report back what you find.

    THEN...call no kill shelters and tell them you want to bring in a pit pull and report back.

    I have experience with both. It's not pretty.



    Did I ONCE mention cats?

    I am in full agreement with cats... Very different animals.... Not manageable in the same way as dogs...

    No real choice with cats....

    Homeless dog and cat issues cannot be lumped together. That is the huge mistake of animal rescue. .

    I can place a pit bull in shelter in 2 minutes. And have multiple options of where to take it. ... Pits have the BEST resources out there of any breed out there. There are over 100 pit rescues in the state of Florida. I would not even have to drive it.
  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    pupraiser wrote: »
    I have experience with both. It's not pretty.

    If you could not place a pit in Hillsborough county you are not very dialed in....

    And I have fair luck with cats.....
  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    pupraiser wrote: »
    Can't have a loose leash with your pup?!? LOL!

    If you have to co-own a dog then you shouldn't have it.

    If anyone takes your advise then they are deserve what they get.

    Thank you for the critique....

    As for the comment on ownership and co ownership, does SE Guide Dogs share your opinion on that matter? Just curious.....
  • JohnnyBanditJohnnyBandit Posts: 8,472 Admiral
    pupraiser wrote: »
    JB, I'm just saying that there are better choices. Spaying and neutering is the best choice at this time.

    Call every cat no kill shelter within 20 miles of you and tell them you have a stray cat and you need them to take it. Report back what you find.

    THEN...call no kill shelters and tell them you want to bring in a pit pull and report back.

    I have experience with both. It's not pretty.

    Just in Hillsborough you have:
    The Pit Crew
    Tampa Bay Bullies
    Rugaz
    Dogma- they readily take pits
    Mid Florida
    Heidi's WILL TAKE anything....ANYTIME....

    Cats are harder..... But....
    Between Heidi's, Cat Call and C.A.R.E I have never had a problem..... In fact unless it has changed C.A.R.E has an after hours cage at the gate, You just drive up, put the animal in and leave... Not much problem there.

    Then you have Urgent Cats of Tampa Bay......
  • Cane PoleCane Pole Stuart, FLAPosts: 9,913 Admiral
    Thanks Johnny for all the info. I have a big decision to make with my pup.
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  • PopeyePopeye Posts: 14,296 AG
    :Spittingcoffee
  • CyclistCyclist Posts: 23,346 AG
    Here is Bartram with two more balls.
  • FibberMckeeFibberMckee Posts: 12,837 AG
    OK, don't try to derail JB's denials of HSUS, ASPCA, AVMA, Animal Services, AKC, Rescue, vets, police, reporters, photographers, dogs owners, etc, etc, etc - by bringing up tail docking & ear cropping. Kal left his knackers in West Palm Bch.

    Still willing to take that spotted beast Bartram off your hands, if you throw in a free bag of crunchies.
  • pottydocpottydoc The thriving metropolis of Umatilla Posts: 4,017 Captain
    I got no dog in this fight (I don't own a dog or cat), but it's funny reading pup and joey running off at the mouth, and not posting ANY links to ANY evidence to disprove the ones Johnny put up. And, both of them spouting about how many unwanted dogs there are, and also talking about responsible owners getting their dogs fixed. Umm....it's not the responsible owners that are the issue guys, it's the ones who aren't responsible. They are already not getting their dogs spayed or neutered. Come up with some evidence counter the studies JB posted, or you're just pizzing in the wind.
  • pottydocpottydoc The thriving metropolis of Umatilla Posts: 4,017 Captain
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    I can't believe there are no kill shelters for cats???

    .22's still too hard to find or what?

    Cat=target
  • Joey ButtonsJoey Buttons Posts: 11,849 AG
    pottydoc wrote: »
    I got no dog in this fight (I don't own a dog or cat), but it's funny reading pup and joey running off at the mouth, and not posting ANY links to ANY evidence to disprove the ones Johnny put up. And, both of them spouting about how many unwanted dogs there are, and also talking about responsible owners getting their dogs fixed. Umm....it's not the responsible owners that are the issue guys, it's the ones who aren't responsible. They are already not getting their dogs spayed or neutered. Come up with some evidence counter the studies JB posted, or you're just pizzing in the wind.



    Are you an idiot or do you just play one on the internets?


    90% of our population are idiots. As can be seen in the quote above.

    I am not saying that s/n makes a dog less heatlhy. I have always s/n my dogs and NONE of them have had any issues that JB raises.

    I am saying that it is iresponsible to promote NOT to s/n your dog.

    Look at the shelters across the country. If people were responsible pet owners why would shelters be so full and so many dogs put to death every day?


    People are not responsible with their dogs and therefore need to get them s/n.

    To have a ring prancer go on the internet and say how it is not healthy to do so and that all someone has to do is be a responsible pet owner is silly. Look at the numbers.
  • SonOfAGunninSonOfAGunnin Posts: 5,085 Admiral
    pd just owned buttons.
  • Joey ButtonsJoey Buttons Posts: 11,849 AG
    pd just owned buttons.


    Your definition of owned is as suspect as your weed spraying ability
  • NACl H2O LuvrNACl H2O Luvr Posts: 12,389 AG
    Leading story on Sochi Olympics.

    Sochi officials order stray dogs killed ahead of Olympics


    Thousands of stray dogs have been living amid the mud and rubble of Olympic construction sites, roaming the streets and snowy mountainsides, and begging for scraps of food.

    But as the games drew near, authorities have turned to a company to catch and kill the animals so they don't bother Sochi's new visitors -- or even wander into an Olympic event.

    Alexei Sorokin, director general of pest control firm Basya Services, told The Associated Press that his company had a contract to exterminate the animals throughout the Olympics, which open Friday.

    Sorokin described his company as being involved in the "catching and disposing" of dogs, although he refused to specify how the dogs would be killed or say where they would take the carcasses.

    The dogs have been causing numerous problems, Sorokin said Monday, including "biting children."

    He said he was stunned last week when he attended a rehearsal for the opening ceremony and saw a stray dog walking in on the performers.

    "A dog ran into the Fisht Stadium, we took it away," he said. "God forbid something like this happens at the actual opening ceremony. This will be a disgrace for the whole country."

    The strays tend to gather near construction sites where they have gotten food and shelter from workers. Dogs have even been able to get inside the Olympic Park and accredited hotel complexes and villages, in the coastal cluster of arenas and venues up in the mountains.

    A pack of at least a half-dozen healthy-looking dogs roamed around a loading zone of a gondola, 1,200 feet above the Gorki Plaza in the mountain venues for the Olympics as construction work continued late Sunday.

    Olympic volunteers patted and cooed over strays that trotted into the park Monday. Another dog dropped to the ground, sunbathing under the Olympic Rings near a public site where medals will be presented to athletes during the games.

    Animal activist Dina Filippova is among the opponents of the latest dog-culling plan, saying city authorities are using the Olympics as an excuse to cover an ongoing practice.

    "We should understand that it is done not only before the Olympics but constantly," she told the AP in an interview in downtown Sochi, where she was trying to find homes for seven puppies she recently rescued near the Olympic Park. "Two killers from that company work for the city to kill 300 dogs a month."

    "It is not humane," she added. "There is a humane way of solving the problem of stray dogs which is used in Europe and the United States and even in some countries of the former Soviet Union -- that is a mass sterilization which eventually leads to no stray dogs on the streets."

    Sorokin's company operates in the Krasnodar region, which includes Sochi and the neighboring area. He refused to say how many dogs they kill a year, calling it a "commercial secret."

    Sergei Krivonosov, a lawmaker from the Krasnodar region, last year supported the dog culling.

    Krivonosov said taking the dogs off the street was Russia's "responsibility to the international community and that their elimination is the quickest way to solve this problem."

    He conceded, however, that this is "not the most humane way" of dealing with the problem and that authorities should encourage dog shelters.

    Sochi city hall last year announced a contract "to catch and dispose" of strays in Sochi -- a move that animal activists vehemently protested. Authorities pledged to give up the practice and build animal shelters for strays instead.

    Activists say there is no evidence that a shelter has been built. But city hall said in a statement on its website that it had opened a dog shelter Monday for 100 dogs.

    Shooting stray dogs has been common practice in many Russian regions despite activists' efforts to push for more humane ways to deal with the issue.

    Nadine Kincaid, an Olympic volunteer from Portland, Oregon, was surprised by how many dogs are roaming around Sochi.

    "There's a lot of dogs everywhere. Right behind where we're staying, there's a whole legion of dogs," she said. "I come from a town where there's leash laws and everyone has to pick up after their dogs, so that's unusual to me to see that."

    Kincaid said she would be upset if the dogs were being poisoned.

    "As an animal lover, for me that's sad. But if they're like stray cats, they can keep breeding and cause more problems. So I can see, maybe, why," she added. "It's sad, but what do you do if you can't control them?"

    taken from: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/03/sochi-officials-order-stray-dogs-killed-ahead-olympics/
  • sk018sk018 Posts: 2,958 Captain
    I have a 5 year old pit mix with torn acls he is fixed.
    I have a 6 month old rescue puppy she is spayed.

    Maybe s/n leads to more health issues. But, after visiting a few local shelters to get the new puppy it is very irresponsible to advocate not fixing dogs.
  • SonOfAGunninSonOfAGunnin Posts: 5,085 Admiral
    Your definition of owned is as suspect as your weed spraying ability

    Do you golf, Joe?
  • Joey ButtonsJoey Buttons Posts: 11,849 AG
    Do you golf, Joe?


    On occasion.

    But not really.

    Takes too much time to get good at it.

    I might play once or twice a year.


    Do you bobsled?
  • pottydocpottydoc The thriving metropolis of Umatilla Posts: 4,017 Captain
    Are you an idiot or do you just play one on the internets?


    90% of our population are idiots. As can be seen in the quote above.

    I am not saying that s/n makes a dog less heatlhy. I have always s/n my dogs and NONE of them have had any issues that JB raises.

    I am saying that it is iresponsible to promote NOT to s/n your dog.

    Look at the shelters across the country. If people were responsible pet owners why would shelters be so full and so many dogs put to death every day?


    People are not responsible with their dogs and therefore need to get them s/n.

    To have a ring prancer go on the internet and say how it is not healthy to do so and that all someone has to do is be a responsible pet owner is silly. Look at the numbers.

    JB didn't say it was not healthy. Scientific research did. And I agree that non responsible pet owners should get their dogs spayed or neutered. But, the facts are they probably won't, because they're not responsible. The op wasn't about unresponsible owners, it was about the health risks of s/n dogs. If you can find some studies to refute the one's JB posted, post 'em up. If not, you're just blowing smoke. JB backed up his posts, let's see you back up yours.
  • Joey ButtonsJoey Buttons Posts: 11,849 AG
    pottydoc wrote: »
    JB didn't say it was not healthy. Scientific research did. And I agree that non responsible pet owners should get their dogs spayed or neutered. But, the facts are they probably won't, because they're not responsible. The op wasn't about unresponsible owners, it was about the health risks of s/n dogs. If you can find some studies to refute the one's JB posted, post 'em up. If not, you're just blowing smoke. JB backed up his posts, let's see you back up yours.




    Where in JB's OP did he say that only "responsible" owners shouldn't get their pets s/n? He says we shouldn't listen to the Bob Barkers of the world. No where in his OP did he say that selected people shouldn't.

    He posted a thread that basically says that people shouldn't s/n their dogs.

    The average person is not a responsible pet owner evidenced by the number of dgos killed daily and in shelters around the world..


    So show me where he said only responsible pet owners should not s/n their dogs.
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