My custom kitchen now feels like an operating room...

Panhandler80Panhandler80 Posts: 7,997 Moderator
Had two of my recessed lights out. They had those evil incandescent 120W flood lights in them. Well in an effort to get a Sunday hall pass, I replaced a garbage disposal, fixed a shower and replaced those bulbs. Figured I could get everything I needed at a big box store. Much to my amazement, they DO NOT STOCK 120W indoor flood lights.

So, I paid $45 for three bulbs that light the room like pure hell. So ******* irritating. Of course these LEDs will last longer, which is great! The traditional bulbs had only been in place since I finished the house in April of 2008.

Terrible feel to them. Just terrible. I had actually kind of gotten over it until watching the news just now and learning that the 40W and 60W will join the phase out schedule on January 1.

It sure was nice to have a choice and a home that didn't feel like a freakin' hospital.
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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 6,342 Admiral
    Rich person problem! :mad
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  • fins4mefins4me Posts: 14,377 AG
    I also dislike the light output of the crappy new bulbs.. Mrs fins has stockpiled several years worth of just about any type incandescent bulb we might ever need over the last several months. She has three 95 gallon rubbermaid storage totes filled to the brim of them stacked in the basement storage room.

    At least she has delayed the govt oppression for years for us.
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  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Posts: 7,997 Moderator
    I have kind of buried my head in the sand when it comes to such things. I kind of thought the whole mandated transition to LED was just chatter and not in stone.

    Whatever, the lights aren't the end of the world, but it sure is annoying and more importantly, I'm just so sick and tired of constantly learning that I have less and less choice.
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  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Posts: 7,997 Moderator
    Tarpon65 wrote: »
    Rich person problem! :mad

    Hahahaha.... yeah, that's it.
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  • reel stamasreel stamas Posts: 6,153 Admiral
    So are the D/C'd (old style) lights on closeout everywhere tomorrow ???
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  • FloydFloyd ; in N. Tampa or DownEast MainePosts: 1,092 Officer
    The new LED bulbs come in a variety of color temps(that determine the warm-ness) from 3700K to 5500K. When I remodeled I chose the 3700K warm color for the dining area, 4700K for the Family room, and 5000K for the kitchen/operating room. With 4-ft and 6-ft spacing its a real even light. The kitchen has a row of 6" lights over each countertop and a 4" row down the middle for pathway/occasional light.
    I like it a lot, and use programmable dimmers to have complete control for any lighting need.
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  • johnnybjohnnyb Posts: 985 Officer
    fins4me wrote: »
    Mrs fins has stockpiled several years worth of just about any type incandescent bulb we might ever need over the last several months.

    My kind of woman. I stocked up on enough that I can probably leave a few to my kids.
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  • jsrodguy1jsrodguy1 Posts: 545 Officer
    why don't you put them on a dimmer switch? tone down the light.
  • frankfrank Posts: 13,292 AG
    in an effort to get a Sunday hall pass, I replaced a garbage disposal, fixed a shower and replaced those bulbs....

    you are doing it wrong
    set the bar lower
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  • PopeyePopeye Posts: 14,296 Officer
    bright lights make my head hurt
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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 6,342 Admiral
    Popeye wrote: »
    bright lights make my head hurt

    Your green light is blinking.
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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 6,342 Admiral
    jsrodguy1 wrote: »
    why don't you put them on a dimmer switch? tone down the light.

    I installed a new ceiling fan in the bedroom a few months ago, and the light kit came with compact fluorescent bulbs. The fan is hooked to a previously installed dimmer switch, which I have told the wife to always leave in 100% power as we control the fan and fan light from a remote control hooked to the fan. The bulbs, when turned off, will still have a slight flicker which is noticeable when the room is dark. Is there a special dimmer switch made for these bulbs to prevent this?
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  • pupraiserpupraiser Posts: 10,261 AG
    cfl's shouldn't be hooked to a dimmer switch. Don't know why but that is what I heard.
  • PopeyePopeye Posts: 14,296 Officer
    pupraiser wrote: »
    cfl's shouldn't be hooked to a dimmer switch. Don't know why but that is what I heard.

    from who?
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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 6,342 Admiral
    Popeye wrote: »
    from who?

    Here's something I just read on the Popular Mechanics website:

    "The complex circuitry in these new bulbs makes them difficult to dim. In many cases, a typical dimmer switch (now called a legacy dimmer in the electrical industry) won't work properly, if at all, with CFL or LED bulbs.

    Legacy dimmers were designed to work with incandescents, and CFL and LED bulbs bear no electrical resemblance to these types of bulbs. Comparing them is like equating an electric heating element and a television set. Both use electricity and both give off light, but that's where the similarity ends.

    The solution is to buy a dimmer switch rated for both CFL and LED bulbs. Two reputable manufacturers of CFL/LED dimmers are Leviton and Lutron; both provide lists of bulbs they've verified will work with their dimmers. Next, buy dimmable CFL and LED bulbs that you know will function with your switch. Though these bulbs may also work with the older legacy dimmers, it's likely you'll experience some of the problems you mentioned. It's worth noting that in 2011 the National Electrical Code was changed specifically to require a neutral wire at all switch locations. But don't worry—you can install most new switches in an older house so long as you carefully follow the manufacturer's instructions. If you have any questions about whether a specific switch is compatible with your wiring or a specific bulb or light fixture, contact the manufacturer's technical service department. "
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 27,662 AG
    Tarpon65 wrote: »
    Here's something I just read on the Popular Mechanics website:

    "The complex circuitry in these new bulbs makes them difficult to dim. In many cases, a typical dimmer switch (now called a legacy dimmer in the electrical industry) won't work properly, if at all, with CFL or LED bulbs.

    Legacy dimmers were designed to work with incandescents, and CFL and LED bulbs bear no electrical resemblance to these types of bulbs. Comparing them is like equating an electric heating element and a television set. Both use electricity and both give off light, but that's where the similarity ends.

    The solution is to buy a dimmer switch rated for both CFL and LED bulbs. Two reputable manufacturers of CFL/LED dimmers are Leviton and Lutron; both provide lists of bulbs they've verified will work with their dimmers. Next, buy dimmable CFL and LED bulbs that you know will function with your switch. Though these bulbs may also work with the older legacy dimmers, it's likely you'll experience some of the problems you mentioned. It's worth noting that in 2011 the National Electrical Code was changed specifically to require a neutral wire at all switch locations. But don't worry—you can install most new switches in an older house so long as you carefully follow the manufacturer's instructions. If you have any questions about whether a specific switch is compatible with your wiring or a specific bulb or light fixture, contact the manufacturer's technical service department. "

    I'm headed to HD this afternoon to buy some new Cree bulbs for the kitchen ceiling. I wonder if I should also get new dimmers.
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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 6,342 Admiral
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    I'm headed to HD this afternoon to buy some new Cree bulbs for the kitchen ceiling. I wonder if I should also get new dimmers.

    I don't have any LED bulbs other then the lighting over my reef tank and my outdoor low voltage landscape lights. Cree makes very good LED's though.
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  • PopeyePopeye Posts: 14,296 Officer
    Tarpon65 wrote: »
    Here's something I just read on the Popular Mechanics website:

    "The complex circuitry in these new bulbs makes them difficult to dim. In many cases, a typical dimmer switch (now called a legacy dimmer in the electrical industry) won't work properly, if at all, with CFL or LED bulbs.

    Legacy dimmers were designed to work with incandescents, and CFL and LED bulbs bear no electrical resemblance to these types of bulbs. Comparing them is like equating an electric heating element and a television set. Both use electricity and both give off light, but that's where the similarity ends.

    The solution is to buy a dimmer switch rated for both CFL and LED bulbs. Two reputable manufacturers of CFL/LED dimmers are Leviton and Lutron; both provide lists of bulbs they've verified will work with their dimmers. Next, buy dimmable CFL and LED bulbs that you know will function with your switch. Though these bulbs may also work with the older legacy dimmers, it's likely you'll experience some of the problems you mentioned. It's worth noting that in 2011 the National Electrical Code was changed specifically to require a neutral wire at all switch locations. But don't worry—you can install most new switches in an older house so long as you carefully follow the manufacturer's instructions. If you have any questions about whether a specific switch is compatible with your wiring or a specific bulb or light fixture, contact the manufacturer's technical service department. "

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  • Tarpon65Tarpon65 Posts: 6,342 Admiral
    Popeye wrote: »
    Im banned from PMs web site, I think for six more months

    Makes me want to spend more time at PM. :grin
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 27,662 AG
    Tarpon65 wrote: »
    I don't have any LED bulbs other then the lighting over my reef tank and my outdoor low voltage landscape lights. Cree makes very good LED's though.

    Since your first post, I have done a little research and it appears they do indeed need a special dimmer to work properly. Something I would not have thought about.
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  • stc1993stc1993 Albany, GA Carrabelle, FLPosts: 5,358 Admiral
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    Since your first post, I have done a little research and it appears they do indeed need a special dimmer to work properly. Something I would not have thought about.

    You have to buy dimmable bulbs too on the cfl's I don't know about the led's. :shrug
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  • FishyGirlFishyGirl Posts: 715 Officer
    Put in a dimmer. Problem solved.
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 27,662 AG
    stc1993 wrote: »
    You have to buy dimmable bulbs too on the cfl's I don't know about the led's. :shrug

    I read the LCD's might not work at all, or at best, not properly with the regular dimming fixtures we current use.

    In general, LED bulbs that are not specifically designed to dim should not be
    connected to a dimmer. Even the bulbs that are designed to dim aren’t always
    compatible with every dimmer. Through extensive testing, the engineers at
    Environmental Lights have developed a compatibility chart that can help you select
    the best dimmer for your bulb.
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  • Split ShotSplit Shot Posts: 6,162 Admiral
    just now and learning that the 40W and 60W will join the phase out schedule on January 1.

    My small kitchen has the 40 watt T12 Fluorescents where the old ballast was going bad to where it was dimmed out to where you could barely see with out the other indirect lights. Long short went to HD decided to replace the ballast with the new electronic one for $14 and **** the bright. Haven't found any 30 watt but a 40 watt cool which help but it's still like an operating room.
    Seen someone loading up on 40 and 60 watt incandescents in which I proceeded to do the same.
  • mjnmjn Posts: 1,564 Captain
    Are there any non-custom kitchens?
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  • BodineBodine Posts: 2,928 Captain
    Skip the cfl's, go directly to lcd's and buy appropriate dimmers.
    Done.
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  • Panhandler80Panhandler80 Posts: 7,997 Moderator
    mjn wrote: »
    Are there any non-custom kitchens?

    Sure! Modular cabinets, spec house contractor and lumber liquidators come to mind. My point was simply that I took two years blinding my house, in large part by hand, and the focal point is the kitchen as it makes up roughly half of my downstairs. It was nice to see the cabinets I designed, had built of actual wood, and I hand painted to a **** near spray finish... It was nice to see them and my other hard work in a bright but more natural light.

    Then there are some antique fixtures I have that due up size and shape of available bulbs, are going to look awful.
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  • grady30wagrady30wa Posts: 10,161 AG
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    I'm headed to HD this afternoon to buy some new Cree bulbs for the kitchen ceiling. I wonder if I should also get new dimmers.

    Is this Obama's way of stimulating the economy? Purposely making obsolete all of your old stuff?
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  • Oldfox1939Oldfox1939 Posts: 521 Officer
    Went to Lowes today and stocked up on the old type bulbs…….now have 3 dozen 65 watt indoor floods.

    They were out of 75 watt bulbs but plenty of 60 watt left.
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