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Precedent?? How do you like the idea of Heavily armed officers?
NACl H2O Luvr
Posts: 12,386 AG
You know how when you travel to certain countries you usually run into police officers walking around with long weapons.
Just curious as to your thoughts on this proposal in Boston. Do you want to see officers walking around with these Weapons?
Incoming Boston mayor, police clash over AR-15 proposal
Boston police are clashing with the city's incoming mayor over a proposal to arm some officers with AR-15 rifles.
Mayor-elect Martin Walsh reportedly came out against the plan over the weekend. The Boston Police Department had been pushing for a limited number of officers to carry the high-powered rifles, in light of recent mass shootings as well as the Boston Marathon bombing earlier this year.
But after the incoming mayor initially stayed mum on the idea, a spokeswoman for Walsh told the Boston Herald he's not on board -- not yet, anyway.
"Mayor-elect Walsh is opposed to the AR-15 rifles," she was quoted as saying. "Unless otherwise convinced by the Boston Police Department, he does not think they are necessary."
Police officials had pushed for the rifle purchases in response to mass shootings like the one in Newtown, Conn. The Boston Marathon bombing happened after the plan was already in the works but nevertheless fueled the proposal.
One unnamed officer told the Herald that "it gives you at least a fighting chance if you go into something where suspects have more firepower than you."
Under the plan, according to MyFoxBoston.com, the city would buy 33 AR-15 rifles, at $2,500 apiece. They would go to two trained officers in all 11 districts of Boston.
But the plan needs the mayor's sign-off, and a number of critics had spoken out against the idea, questioning whether giving officers such rifles would increase the chances of innocent people getting shot.
"I don't believe arming them with assault weapons is going to make them any safer," City Councilor Charles Yancey said, according to MyFoxBoston.com.
taken from: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/30/incoming-boston-mayor-police-clash-over-ar-15-proposal/
Just curious as to your thoughts on this proposal in Boston. Do you want to see officers walking around with these Weapons?
Incoming Boston mayor, police clash over AR-15 proposal
Boston police are clashing with the city's incoming mayor over a proposal to arm some officers with AR-15 rifles.
Mayor-elect Martin Walsh reportedly came out against the plan over the weekend. The Boston Police Department had been pushing for a limited number of officers to carry the high-powered rifles, in light of recent mass shootings as well as the Boston Marathon bombing earlier this year.
But after the incoming mayor initially stayed mum on the idea, a spokeswoman for Walsh told the Boston Herald he's not on board -- not yet, anyway.
"Mayor-elect Walsh is opposed to the AR-15 rifles," she was quoted as saying. "Unless otherwise convinced by the Boston Police Department, he does not think they are necessary."
Police officials had pushed for the rifle purchases in response to mass shootings like the one in Newtown, Conn. The Boston Marathon bombing happened after the plan was already in the works but nevertheless fueled the proposal.
One unnamed officer told the Herald that "it gives you at least a fighting chance if you go into something where suspects have more firepower than you."
Under the plan, according to MyFoxBoston.com, the city would buy 33 AR-15 rifles, at $2,500 apiece. They would go to two trained officers in all 11 districts of Boston.
But the plan needs the mayor's sign-off, and a number of critics had spoken out against the idea, questioning whether giving officers such rifles would increase the chances of innocent people getting shot.
"I don't believe arming them with assault weapons is going to make them any safer," City Councilor Charles Yancey said, according to MyFoxBoston.com.
taken from: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/30/incoming-boston-mayor-police-clash-over-ar-15-proposal/
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It's larger weapons, armored military vehicles, hollow points, and DHS backed military training that I see as a threat.
As far back as the mid '90s, uniformed security carrying Uzis was a common sight at many European airports. I often wondered how long before we see that level of security forces in our airports.
As for city police forces carrying Ar-15s, there are so many AR-15s in the hands of private citizens now I can't really blame them.
But, why AR-15s? Is it because they're cheap and plentiful? Wouldn't police officers be better off with M-4s?
I'd much rather have that at the airports then the TSA.
The police almost never face AR type weapons on the streets despite the hype of the media and control activists. The vast majority of shootings "on the street" are committed by thugs with really cheap hand guns.
Wow....You walked right into that one....Sir, You are a study in Paradox-ism. See Below, posted less than 24 hrs ago.
http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?140053-Good-Christmas-present-Good-for-Nikki
And that has what to do with the OP?
Do we really want to be like Mexico?
What does that have to do with the OP?
Who are you, the post police?
That will leave a mark....
Sure it is. It's all incremental. Slowly you get used to it...started with SWAT teams, now even the DER has a SWAT team.
No marks left... I meant what I said in both and I know what I mean. Sadly, you guys are 1 or 0, black or white, up or down type of guys. You know no middle ground.
In response to Niki Haley getting a new firearm for Christmas, someone said "what a great carry weapon" it is.... and my response to that is for self defense purposes, you likely won't ever need 15 rounds. I carry with a 5-round magazine. It fits comfortably in my pocket. It's highly unlikely I will ever use it, and even more unlikely that I'll be in an extended gun battle where I need 15 rounds.
In this thread about AR-15s, all I said is I don't blame them. Given the level of firepower in the streets, I don't blame them.... I don't necessarily approve or disapprove, I just don't blame them. I also said I thought they already did.
So where is the paradox?
Got off a train in Brussels one morning, early.
Was met by two police type dudes with assault weapons asking me for my valid train pass.
And once again, what does that have to do with the OP? Why don't you comment on it? "Mexico" sounds like another post you should start instead of trying for a derail.
My view is opposite. It appears to me that violent crime being committed by multiple assailants is on the rise.
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Why is it any different than Shotguns and other rifles they already carry.
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.
It's highly likely that under stress your 5 shots might not be effective. Then what?
http://www.c-ville.com/knock-out-victims-of-brutal-downtown-mall-assault-want-arrests-and-answers-from-police/#.UsHBivs2F4C
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franco created the "guardia civil" which to this day are famous for their hats...but i digress...
the guardia always traveled in pairs with what appeared to me as m-14's or something similar...
they were never stationed in their home province...they walked a beat in town or they had the motorcycle guardia which were about the same difference as a state trooper...
i met several guardia and got to know some as friends...
they were/are peaceful men...
the only time i ever saw the guardia get rough was while breaking up a bar room brawl or intervening in a domestic dispute...
the guardia were the guardia and were just part of the background...most carried candies to hand out to children....
they were a lot more polite than most american cops or state troopers despite the auto-rifle and semi-auto 9mm pistols...
only the old men, old enough to have been around when franco came to power held them in contempt....
as you were.......
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if you can't catch a fish...catch a buzz....
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America is not a battleground with roving bands of heavily armed guerillas challenging the authority of local governments. Besides, didn't that great "conservative champion", Willard Romney, sign into law one of the most prohibitive laws regarding firearms during his regrettable one term as governor?
Don't "assault weapons" require a "state permit" to own in Mass? How could the police there possibly be concerned?
I bet 30-30 lever actions would be sufficient.
2013: Fewest police deaths by firearms since 1887
"....The annual report from the nonprofit National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund also found that deaths in the line of duty generally fell by 8 percent and were the fewest since 1959.........The number of firearms deaths fell 33 percent in 2013 and was the lowest since 1887...........Since 2011, officer fatalities across all categories have decreased by 34 percent, and firearms deaths have dropped by 54 percent.........."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/30/2013--fewest-police-deaths-by-firearms-since-1887
"They" usually turn out to be cowards. Unless "they" are armed, "they" will scatter like cockroaches when the first shot is fired.
But you're right about the stress. Under duress, unless we've had LEO or tactical training, most of us may not perform very well. That "might" be a reason to carry a larger capacity magazine, but I like carrying a smaller one because it fits in my pocket, because I don't have to always have my shirt-tail out to conceal a holstered weapon clipped to my belt.
Aim small, miss small.
What other rifles?
And in a city like Boston, a 12 gauge pump would be more effective and less of a danger to the public
"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr
It depends on the city. L.A and others carry a Urban police rifle similar to the AR. I think Miami allows the AR-15. I know some carry Remington 700s. I honestly could not list the varieties that might be out there in all the departments across the country.
Do you not want them to have any rifles or is it the AR that upsets you is my question?
Former Mini Mart Magnate
I am just here for my amusement.
They should not have weapons that unavailable to local citizens.