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Weed LineWeed Line Posts: 177 Officer
Been on 3 hunts on the st johns from loughman to harney and its been slow. A few birds for us but not too much flying, mostly teal with a few other species here and there. Anyone seeing anything flying? Shooting hasnt been all that common either. Dec 21 we had a bunch flying high but nothing landing and its been dead since. Mostly single birds and pairs. Probly gonna start to work jesup to monroe coming up. Just wondering wondering of anyone is seeing any birds. Good luck out there.
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  • BustinEmBustinEm Posts: 252 Deckhand
    We found the same out near hatbill and not much different on jessup. No clue about Monroe. Good luck
  • gottheitch22gottheitch22 Posts: 4,533 Captain
    JUST 1
    living life as i like
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    The upper St Johns is off from past seasons..... takes a lot of work to find unpressured birds....
    There are many roads to travel
    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • Weed LineWeed Line Posts: 177 Officer
    Yeah that's what were finding. Most shots have been birds sneaking in around us. Found a couple spots that look good, saw a few puddling, but we sat for 4 hours a few days ago with nothing moving. Just gotta find where they wanna be bc I do know some people doing well, mostly blue wing teal. All these reports of red heads, pin tails, mallards gets me excited until I see its down south lol quite a variety, im a little jealous. Heres to hoping some birds show up soon. I have a feeling it should pick up. Did see 3 mallards on my way to work flying toward monroe.
  • onICEonICE Posts: 988 Officer
    I predict this thread going 9 pages in the wrong direction
  • gator4evergator4ever Posts: 2,657 Captain
    Many think the STAs are duck paradise that ducks will avoid other areas because the STAs are just perfect for ducks.

    The main difference between the STAs and the other more public areas is that they only shoot on the weekends. So the birds are less pressured. Granted the water depth and the food is a big draw but what keeps them there is the lack of pressure.
    "sometimes it's OK just to kill a little time" my grandpa 1972
  • binellishtrbinellishtr Posts: 8,797 Admiral
    its the lack of access,and food...total horshat
  • binellishtrbinellishtr Posts: 8,797 Admiral
    u ever chased the birds in 3 South all season long? They move all over the place,but they never leave the entire area. Same could be for all the other areas,the ducks will go to the least pressure,but to just let them sit and not be disturbed is no better off then a 5 day a week sanctuary....
  • Marx ManMarx Man Posts: 145 Officer
    Do people think ALL the ducks in Florida are in the STAs?
  • Derek ArsuaDerek Arsua Posts: 2,474 Captain
    Seen a lot of migrating birds on Saturday but I can say its been a slow year this year all around from what I've seen and heard might not ramp up till next month don't know why because the weather is very cold all over besides here but maybe they are being hammered harder up north thanks to DD. we shot 11 green wings Sunday and could have killed nothing but green wings if we wanted to. That tells me its fixing to bust the greenies are finally here the other will be behind them I also noticed some blue bills that a sign
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    gator4ever wrote: »
    Many think the STAs are duck paradise that ducks will avoid other areas because the STAs are just perfect for ducks.

    The main difference between the STAs and the other more public areas is that they only shoot on the weekends. So the birds are less pressured. Granted the water depth and the food is a big draw but what keeps them there is the lack of pressure.

    More "waterfowler" than duck shooter... You have knowledge others do not possess. :)
    There are many roads to travel
    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    Marx Man wrote: »
    Do people think ALL the ducks in Florida are in the STAs?

    Nope...I think easy ducks are there.

    Low pressure birds on good habitat with surrounding marsh only marginal habitat but good for refuge for the few hours while its "noisy"...
    There are many roads to travel
    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • Rich MRich M Posts: 1,326 Officer
    It has been a slow year most places. It seems a low year for ducks in FL, even thought the bird counts are supposedly "up".

    St Johns is always slow this time of year - most other times as well. We get a push of ducks the end of the season, that's likely when you'll see an up-tick.

    I don't understand the hate for the STAs. The guys who want to hunt it 24/7 will only ruin the hunting there. It is better to have the limited hunts so more people can have great hunts vs the few who would hunt it every day until the birds run out. Just sayin'

    It is better for the most people to benefit as opposed to a select few.
  • Weed LineWeed Line Posts: 177 Officer
    Wow guys lol listen I love all hunting. It was more of a topic starter because most reports recently have been from them. Hadnt seen anyone talk much about other areas. I love the pictures and reports from there, just not close to me and was just wondering if people were seeing ducks. I dont think theyre all there but that they havent made it down completely. Like I said im seeing majority teal and a few mallards flying around the city. Just curious is all.

    Derek- I had a buddy of mine say the same thing, im new so I dont have a lot of history to base what I see in the field off of. Its what I have been figuring based on the number of boats that go out and the little shooting that is taking place. I remember fishing ML during duck season and hearing shotguns all over the place. Outside of opening weekend its been a tad quiet there and by the st john's. Weve been going out of hat bill and c s lee park.
  • PinmanPinman Posts: 3,737 Captain
    Duck numbers are down all over. Even inside the STA's. Habitat everywhere I have hunted (STA, Lake O, Merritt) doesn't look like it should. I also saw more Greenwings this weekend than I have all season. Can only hope for a January push.

    Good hunt reports from open lakes and marshes hopefully won't hit the internet.
  • JonsredfishinJonsredfishin Posts: 3,045 Captain
    Weed Line wrote: »
    Been on 3 hunts

    ^^Could be your problem...^^

    But yeah, pretty tough around here too.
    One president put a man on the moon.
    Another president put a man in the Lady's bathroom.
  • Weed LineWeed Line Posts: 177 Officer
    ^^Could be your problem...^^

    But yeah, pretty tough around here too.

    Of course that's the problem. I remember when I had only fished 3 times and there weren't many fish coming home either. But you dont get to year 20 of a sport without getting through year 1. I should have already bagged a few more than I have but im not a great shot. Got to keep practicing right? Btw I fully expected to sit in the marsh and just hear crickets lol however it seems I found a few birds, educated them on my first hunt....ate some my next hunt. I think I learned something lol im getting excited and gonna be scouting around some more bc im not looking forward to trading my gun for my fishing pole just yet
  • evilman00evilman00 Posts: 265 Officer
    Marx Man wrote: »
    Do people think ALL the ducks in Florida are in the STAs?
    Hey buddy I think they are all in the number 12 right
  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 6,086 Admiral
    Been doing just fine in the glades all season until yesterday.
  • gator4evergator4ever Posts: 2,657 Captain
    What if the entire state just shot on the weekends?

    Think about that idea. I know it is not realistic but??????
    "sometimes it's OK just to kill a little time" my grandpa 1972
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    The idea of shutting down at 1 PM has been around...and is done in quiet a few states.
    There are many roads to travel
    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • PinmanPinman Posts: 3,737 Captain
  • Big MakBig Mak Posts: 6,086 Admiral
    The bottom line is that they have not reached Florida in significant numbers YET! Thus, they are not shot out because of hunting pressure from Florida hunters! We are just now getting a decent influx of greenwings for crying out loud. Unless they are on their way back to Canada already, everyone needs to get their vagisil out and start oiling their little kitties, while anticipating a better closer than opener this year. Even the most intensely managed duck marshes are marginal right now, so stop whining and trying to strip your neighbors opportunity away that he's been enjoying since before most of you were a stirring in your daddys loins...

    To tell you the truth with weather and timing evolving as it is, some of you restrictionists should be pushing for a later start and finish to better capture the migration in Florida, and asking to put youth season first rather than in February.
  • Rich MRich M Posts: 1,326 Officer
    I'm not big on that 1:00 idea.... It removes those famous wood duck roost hunts on cloudy/rainy days.

    Weed - you are gonna find that duck hunters like to whine at each other and come up with reasons to change the regulations to suit their own fancy. Very rarely will they agree on more than one or two points. Some get very nasty about it.

    Some also think that you need to scout your little heart out and if you don't do that, you don't deserve to shoot anything. They will do anything in their powers to be the first on in a spot and if you beat them, will try to intimidate you out of said location.

    Others get real uptight if someone says there are ducks where they hunt. If there are birds on Lake O and it gets to the internet, sparks fly! LOL!

    It continues...

    So, you will find that most people tend to keep quiet about what & where & how on the duck hunting scene. For some reason it seems to turn out the worst in many people.

    This is my 32nd licensed season and I can definitely say that the zealousness of some ruins it for the majority. It isn't supposed to be a combat competition.

    Duck hunting is fun - good luck with the rest of your season.
  • PinmanPinman Posts: 3,737 Captain
    Gator the 2 days a week thing sounds good and has been around for 2-3 years. It was and still is a heated debate. Friendships have been damaged and even lost because of it.

    But it's a moot point without decent habitat. Merritt Island is hunted 3 half days a week but there is nothing to draw the ducks. Ducks need food first and in some small pockets they are willing to risk life and limb (pressure) to get to it. Lake O, the Glades, St Johns, all had no problems attracting and holding ducks with good food 20-30 years ago. Even with round the clock pressure. But that preferred food was Hydrilla. So it was nuked without being replaced with anything. Those great duck areas became barren mud bottom deserts. Didn't help the fishing much either. The easy fixes are tempting but it's putting a band-aid on a axe wound.
  • gator4evergator4ever Posts: 2,657 Captain
    Well with the warmer weather = later migrations maybe a later season should be considered??

    My Dad hunted Ducks on his ranch in Cuba before Castro. He said they would hunt teal and woodies in October then hunt deer, doves and quail in Nov and December. Then at the end of Jan and mid Feb they shot Pintails, Shovelers, and of course more teal. He told me that the big ducks wouldnt show up until late. Since the ranch was in the western part of the Island and they grew rice they would pull ducks from all the major flywyas in the US. But that is gone and now only Canadian tourist hunt there giving their money to the communist nation.

    If our ducks are showing up later? Why not move the season a month out say starting in December and hunt through mid Feb??
    "sometimes it's OK just to kill a little time" my grandpa 1972
  • PinmanPinman Posts: 3,737 Captain
    That's another debate as to when ducks pair up for mating. No easy answers anywhere.
  • gator4evergator4ever Posts: 2,657 Captain
    Pinman wrote: »
    That's another debate as to when ducks pair up for mating. No easy answers anywhere.

    If they would paired up they wouldnt be here. They would be up North nesting. And in Feb everything North of the Carolinas is frozen.
    "sometimes it's OK just to kill a little time" my grandpa 1972
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 21,265 AG
    gator4ever wrote: »
    If they would paired up they wouldnt be here. They would be up North nesting. And in Feb everything North of the Carolinas is frozen.

    Ducks "pair bond" here in the wintering grounds....
    There are many roads to travel
    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
    'fore the darkness falls on you
  • ChetChet Posts: 292 Deckhand
    I think Jr should give up his secrets on scouting the bread line. If shooting is slow on the St Johns ask Jr how to coat tail on a permit at TMG or Broadmor.

    I have one quick question. If there is not much shooting going on in the rest of the state where is all this pressure pushing the birds to the STA's?
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