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gatormarkgatormark Posts: 2,240 Officer
the nfl because they didnt supply them with the right helmets? Is this real? What it means is these former loosers are flat broke and they need jack in the worst kind of way, classless.
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  • aubuc1aubuc1 Posts: 490 Officer
    Sorry gatormark you are wrong. Lee Roy Selmon is not broke. He claims to suffer from brain injuries while playing. Who wouldn't sue if you thought your brain was injured on the job? Not many people claim that mr. Selmon is classless. I am not a fan of litigation, but sometimes it is necessary.
  • Mackeral SnatcherMackeral Snatcher Posts: 13,667 AG
    Classless, no, I think your clueless as to the reasoning for the lawsuit.
    Ya may want to do a little research before you go popping off.
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  • treetopflyntreetopflyn Posts: 3,937 Officer
    Classless, no, I think your clueless as to the reasoning for the lawsuit.
    Ya may want to do a little research before you go popping off.

    :whacky
  • Tarpon NoleTarpon Nole Posts: 1,857 Officer
    gatormark wrote: »
    the nfl because they didnt supply them with the right helmets? Is this real? What it means is these former loosers are flat broke and they need jack in the worst kind of way, classless.


    uhhhhhh you serious?
  • gatormarkgatormark Posts: 2,240 Officer
    It is a equipment issue.......period. Selmon did back his name out of this obvious fruitless lawsuit as of yesterday. Classless? you bet its classless, you play a friggin game with impact involved and then you sue the league because you got hurt?????? The league said they will fight this " with every means at theyre dispoal". Lets quit jumping on the moragn and morgan bandwagon everytime we smell a buck.
  • OK, whatever you say:rolleyes
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  • RedBaronRedBaron Posts: 6,781 Officer
    Mark makes a good point.
    So you are a world champion boxer. You get paid a lot of money for participating in title fights. A few years go by and you have been punched a bunch of times and start slurring you words......go sue the boxing glove company because their product did not protect your brain.
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  • Tarpon NoleTarpon Nole Posts: 1,857 Officer
    gatormark wrote: »
    It is a equipment issue.......period. Selmon did back his name out of this obvious fruitless lawsuit as of yesterday. Classless? you bet its classless, you play a friggin game with impact involved and then you sue the league because you got hurt?????? The league said they will fight this " with every means at theyre dispoal". Lets quit jumping on the moragn and morgan bandwagon everytime we smell a buck.

    it's not an equipment issue.

    it's the fact that these guys went out year after year and pushed their bodies to the point of breaking again, and again.

    now several years later, their bodies (and minds) are breaking and the NFL is not providing the medical insurance they need to get by.

    they weren't making $10mil a year 30 years ago in the NFL...
  • TumbleweedTomTumbleweedTom Posts: 1,987 Officer
    Thomas, six ex-players sue NFL over handling of concussions
    Associated Press

    Editor's note: In this story, The Associated Press erroneously reported that Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Browns was a member of the lawsuit, relying on information provided from the plaintiff's attorney in the case. The former player involved in the case is Joseph "Joey" Thomas, who played for the Green Bay Packers, New Orleans Saints and Miami Dolphins.

    PHILADELPHIA -- Six former players and Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas have sued the NFL over its handling of concussion-related injuries, the first potential class-action lawsuit of its kind.

    The players accuse the league of training players to hit with their heads, failing to properly treat them for concussions and trying to conceal for decades any links between football and brain injuries.


    Ex-Bears QB Jim McMahon is one of seven current and former players listed as plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit against the NFL. (Ron Heflin/Associated Press)
    The plaintiffs include two-time Super Bowl champion Jim McMahon, who has said he played through five concussions but now frequently walks around "in a daze" and forgets why he entered a room.

    The suit accuses the NFL of negligence and intentional misconduct in its response to the headaches, dizziness and dementia that former players have reported. The suit, filed Wednesday, seeks medical monitoring along with funds to pay for the care of injured players.

    NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said the league hadn't yet seen the lawsuit but would vigorously contest any such claims.

    Players' lawyer Larry Coben of Philadelphia said one client soon might lose his home because of his health-related financial problems.

    "The big issue, for us, is they were told for decades to lead with their heads," Coben told The Associated Press. "The NFL would never admit that there's any correlation (to later health problems)."

    Seventy-five retired players sued the NFL last month in Los Angeles, alleging the league knew since the 1920s of the harmful effects of concussions but concealed them from players, coaches, trainers and the public until June 2010. That suit also names helmet-maker Riddell, the NFL's official helmet supplier, as a defendant.

    The federal suit filed in Philadelphia, though, is the first to seek class-action status and potentially include anyone who had played in the league and suffered a concussion or head injury.

    "Our goal is much larger, perhaps more daunting," said Coben, who previously has sued over brain injuries incurred in high school football.


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    "We have to ultimately determine how many people are in the (legal) classes. How many people from the '70s are experiencing this, how many people from the '80s, from the '90s? And then, what are the losses?"

    The other plaintiffs include Ray Easterling, 61, a 1970s-era defensive back for the Atlanta Falcons, and Wayne Radloff, 50, an offensive lineman for the Falcons and San Francisco 49ers in the late 1980s.

    Some plaintiffs receive benefits from the league's 88 Plan, which provides funding from the NFL and the NFL Players Association to help care for players afflicted with dementia or related brain problems. However, Coben said the payments fall far short of the amount needed to replace the income of those who cannot work because of their brain injuries, or to provide the institutionalized or in-home care they need.

    Radloff's wife, Garland, wants players and their wives to know they don't have to wait for an autopsy to learn if a player has suffered a brain injury but can get diagnosed through advanced brain scans.

    Her husband suffered one of his more devastating blows in September 1988, one that knocked him out cold and yielded the headline: "Falcons Say Radloff Had a Game to Remember, If Only He Could."

    The Radloffs, together since his playing days at the University of Georgia and married nearly 28 years, each turned 50 this year. He suffers from dementia and other problems associated with his Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy and no longer can hold down his post-football job in real estate.


    "It is a brutal way to see somebody die, and to live with it daily and the ups and downs. It's breaking our family's heart," Garland Radloff, a nursing aide who lives with her husband in Hilton Head, S.C., told The AP on Thursday. She and several other wives are also named plaintiffs in the suit.

    "If Wayne and I can use our situation to help others," she said, "that is what it's all about."

    In a sharp about-face in late 2009, the NFL has encouraged players and their families to cooperate with the Boston University Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy, which is conducting autopsies on the brains of former athletes -- and finding disturbing evidence of brain damage in football players, boxers and a former NHL player. McMahon has agreed to leave his brain to the center.

    The NFL also has issued new concussion guidelines, and ordered that independent physicians determine when a player should return.

    The other plaintiffs in the suit are Gerry Feehery, 51, a former Eagles center who played in the league from 1985 to 1989; Mike Furrey, 34, a wide receiver on several teams from 2003 to 2010; and Steve Kiner, 64, a linebacker with the Dallas Cowboys and others from 1970 to 1978.




    I understand why it's important to heed these studies and try to do something about the best protection for one's head when playing football, BUT......Are you trying to tell me that these guys din't KNOW that running one's head against another 300 lb. body, and using your head as a battering ram, was/would cause damage to one's cranium? Give me a break!
    Oh yea, many of them have/ had gotten just that.

    Most of them would have played with no helmet.....

    Interesting note...Jim McMahon donating his brain to science.....gonna be a "light" package.

    And here's one for you "Hators" Who(m) do you think REALLY got all this "brain stuff" put under the microscope? Could it have been #15?
    Nah........
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    RedBaron wrote: »
    Mark makes a good point.
    So you are a world champion boxer. You get paid a lot of money for participating in title fights. A few years go by and you have been punched a bunch of times and start slurring you words......go sue the boxing glove company because their product did not protect your brain.

    NFL players are employees of the team, not independent contractors. The owners of these teams are making millions, while the players that made that happen are suffering with injuies with no heath care.There may be no legal requirement for owners to help these players, but morally they should step up to the plate.
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  • JaxNoleJaxNole Posts: 1,705 Captain
    I understand why it's important to heed these studies and try to do something about the best protection for one's head when playing football, BUT......Are you trying to tell me that these guys din't KNOW that running one's head against another 300 lb. body, and using your head as a battering ram, was/would cause damage to one's cranium? Give me a break!
    Oh yea, many of them have had/gotten just that.

    Most of them would have played with no helmet.....
    :Agree
  • Tarpon NoleTarpon Nole Posts: 1,857 Officer
    all of this is due to the concessions made in the new labor agreement.

    the nflpa was pushing hard for money for ex-players health coverage, they got some, but nowhere near enough
  • RedBaronRedBaron Posts: 6,781 Officer
    Mister-Jr wrote: »
    NFL players are employees of the team, not independent contractors. The owners of these teams are making millions, while the players that made that happen are suffering with injuies with no heath care.There may be no legal requirement for owners to help these players, but morally they should step up to the plate.

    Ahhhh....I see why you are over on the political forum so much. the concept of having our legal system dictate morality......:nono
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  • GatorPaulGatorPaul Posts: 391 Officer
    It's all about the Benjamins. NFL got money so why not sue them. Some Miami fans want to sue the Dolphins for paying Urban Meyer and the rest of his team to fly down to Miami in October to catch a game. But bringing in the Gators will bring more ticket sales so they get richer. Smart move.
  • Tarpon NoleTarpon Nole Posts: 1,857 Officer
    GatorPaul wrote: »
    It's all about the Benjamins. NFL got money so why not sue them. Some Miami fans want to sue the Dolphins for paying Urban Meyer and the rest of his team to fly down to Miami in October to catch a game. But bringing in the Gators will bring more ticket sales so they get richer. Smart move.

    gatormark? is that you?
  • GatorPaulGatorPaul Posts: 391 Officer
    My name's Paul. If Mark's got gator in his name then I'd be pleased to make his acquaintance.
    Who the hell are you?
  • Tarpon NoleTarpon Nole Posts: 1,857 Officer
    GatorPaul wrote: »
    My name's Paul. If Mark's got gator in his name then I'd be pleased to make his acquaintance.
    that also sounds like something he would say
    GatorPaul wrote:
    Who the hell are you?

    your father. tell your mom I say "hey"
  • GatorPaulGatorPaul Posts: 391 Officer
    that also sounds like something he would say



    your father. tell your mom I say "hey"

    Figures your a low class Semi-Nole talkin about strangers mommas. That's since you aint got no idea who your daddy is like most of em.
  • SeminolekenSeminoleken Posts: 3,489 Captain
    Of course it's mark. He talks.....and spells.....just like him.
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  • treetopflyntreetopflyn Posts: 3,937 Officer
    Of course it's mark. He talks.....and spells.....just like him.

    Zaxtly
  • GatorPaulGatorPaul Posts: 391 Officer
    What the hell garbage are all you Semi-Nole girls talkin about. My name is Paul. Only mark I have is when my butler (FSU Grad) wears underwear too long and it starts looking like you guys in the morning. Why you guys messing with me and calling me out. Don't go cryin to your mommas on here when I respond.

    And like I asked before. Don't you Nancy's ever talk about Sports in this here sports forum?
  • Tarpon NoleTarpon Nole Posts: 1,857 Officer
    GatorPaul wrote: »
    What the hell garbage are all you Semi-Nole girls talkin about. My name is Paul. Only mark I have is when my butler (FSU Grad) wears underwear too long and it starts looking like you guys in the morning. Why you guys messing with me and calling me out. Don't go cryin to your mommas on here when I respond.

    And like I asked before. Don't you Nancy's ever talk about Sports in this here sports forum?

    how many other butlers work on Kissimmee no-Island?
  • GatorPaulGatorPaul Posts: 391 Officer
    Kissimmee? I wouldn't know. That's where your family trailer is?

    I live on ten acres outside Florida City and keep my boat in Monroe. Those the only two places I stay at unless I'm flying to a Gator game.
  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    RedBaron wrote: »
    Ahhhh....I see why you are over on the political forum so much. the concept of having our legal system dictate morality......:nono


    NFL players are employees. The NFL, through the use of their political power, has gotten various state legislatures to exempt them them for workers comp laws that require every other business to provide coverage for their employees. Had the owners been required to carry workers comp on players, this would not be an issue, legally or morally.

    Money talks in government.
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  • gatormarkgatormark Posts: 2,240 Officer
    Again tarpnole with the classless college boy type responses. " tel your mom I said hey?". Tarp, would you have balls enough to say that to the mans face? I think not because you would more than likely get a mudhole stomped in your ****.What are you 20 yrs old?


    that also sounds like something he would say



    your father. tell your mom I say "hey"
  • treetopflyntreetopflyn Posts: 3,937 Officer
    It's Saturday and you have been warned bye bye again
    gatormark wrote: »
    Again tarpnole with the classless college boy type responses. " tel your mom I said hey?". Tarp, would you have balls enough to say that to the mans face? I think not because you would more than likely get a mudhole stomped in your ****.What are you 20 yrs old?
  • GardawgGardawg Posts: 16,666 AG
    Responsibility ... how come so many think only individual people should be held accountable and not corporations ... after all the Supreme Court said corporations are people too ... is it a sychophant mentality or Stockholm syndrome?

    some folk just seem to be natural born suck-ups to any type of authority ...
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  • RedBaronRedBaron Posts: 6,781 Officer
    Responsibility....exactly.
    The first and primary responsibility is for one's self. People make decisions knowing what they are getting into......with decisions comes outcomes.....some are benefits like huge salaries and fame, some are negatives. These guys make the decision to play a violent sport.....that is on them.

    Yes, corporations are people and they do have responsibilities......they also have rights.
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  • Mister-JrMister-Jr Posts: 29,948 AG
    RedBaron wrote: »
    Responsibility....exactly.
    The first and primary responsibility is for one's self. People make decisions knowing what they are getting into......with decisions comes outcomes.....some are benefits like huge salaries and fame, some are negatives. These guys make the decision to play a violent sport.....that is on them.

    Yes, corporations are people and they do have responsibilities......they also have rights.

    Every company in America has the legal responsibility to protect their employees. To say otherwise is simply not true.
    Vote for the other candidate
  • The MelManThe MelMan Posts: 4,038 Captain
    Gardawg wrote: »
    Responsibility ... how come so many think only individual people should be held accountable and not corporations ... after all the Supreme Court said corporations are people too ... is it a sychophant mentality or Stockholm syndrome?

    some folk just seem to be natural born suck-ups to any type of authority ...
    :rolleyes And some people are just lawyers making money ............
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