Is it poor business practice to........

divn4$

refuse to do a job when you feel its not safe ?

dragon bait

if you are not living on the edge, you are taking up to much space

divn4$

But, But, i got famliy that depend on me......

Mister-Jr

divn4$ wrote: »

refuse to do a job when you feel its not safe ? The propellers weight 350#s each there is no davit to get them out of the water,there is no fork lift to get them in the plane,the plane would be at max weight or close to it with us and the tools its a 575 mile flight over the ocean.The marina is full of sharks

If you can't make that decision on your own, you should go to work for someone.

reel stamas

CHICKEN !!!

GT Fish

Charge triple the amount and they will cancel.

INTREPID377

It's not poor business practice to pass on a job you think is unsafe. It's very poor business practice to lack the creativity and will to figure out how to do the job. You can make any job safe if you put enough thought, time and money into it.

Lobstercatcher229

divn4$ wrote: »

refuse to do a job when you feel its not safe ? The propellers weight 350#s each there is no davit to get them out of the water,there is no fork lift to get them in the plane,the plane would be at max weight or close to it with us and the tools its a 575 mile flight over the ocean.The marina is full of sharks

I am a pilot and would have no trouble if what you say is true, that the plane would be at max weight. The planes are designed to fly just fine at maximum legal weight. I also would do the 575 mile flight over the ocean, hopefully you will have a life raft and safety equipment.

If you are flying at over maximum weight that certainly is dangerous.

If the propellers are heavy and you can't figure out how to get them in or out of the plane, then that is another issue.

I also have dove for years around sharks. Unless they are Great White, Bull, Tiger, or a few other species you probably will be ok with the sharks.

divn4$

Man,you guys got no sympathy.

guitarman

If your seeking sympathy or logic you came to the wrong place.

chick-a-dee

INTREPID377 wrote: »

It's very poor business practice to lack the creativity and will to figure out how to do the job.

Why must you be so delicate with your wording? Say what you feel, man! :rotflmao

gerrys

Unsafe doesn't happen in my book. Take steps to make it safe first. Then and only then it happens.

divn4$

Lobstercatcher229 wrote: »

I am a pilot and would have no trouble if what you say is true, that the plane would be at max weight. The planes are designed to fly just fine at maximum legal weight. I also would do the 575 mile flight over the ocean, hopefully you will have a life raft and safety equipment.

If you are flying at over maximum weight that certainly is dangerous.

If the propellers are heavy and you can't figure out how to get them in or out of the plane, then that is another issue.

I also have dove for years around sharks. Unless they are Great White, Bull, Tiger, or a few other species you probably will be ok with the sharks.

I have been working underwater for thirty years belive me when i say its not a good job.

Popeye

Don't do it.

We need you here.

your friend,

Popeye.

divn4$

Thanks Popeye

Conchy Cracker

Money solves all problems and I can assure you, someone will solve this one all the way to the bank.

Popeye

I used to do what you do.

Its hard push.

You know the deal.

Andrewsmith1

If you don't think the job is safe, don't take it. I think it would be worse business practice to take a dangerous job, get hurt, or worse, and lose out on future income. It sounds like you don't want the job so don't take it.

Team Sabatage

I did not get to see the details before your edit, but later posts have given me a clue.

That said, not in your line of work it is not.
Although from your previous post, I thought your job was over when you removed the props from the water. Anything after that should be the freight handlers job, not yours. You're the diver. If the props are on dry land or on the boat's deck. You should be filling out the invoice.

GA Fin

If the job is unsafe, double your fee and sub it out.:grin

cpr

Why risk your life for someone else's problem? If the price isn't enough to retire on opt out.

treemanjohn

When I was in the tree business I always took pride in doing jobs that no one else would do. If the customers are willing to pay for it, I'm willing to do it. 15 years in business no accidents and no workers comp claims

Lobstercatcher229

divn4$ wrote: »

I have been working underwater for thirty years belive me when i say its not a good job.

I believe you. It is interesting in any business to try to figure out how to make a living while helping your clients.

INTREPID377

chick-a-dee wrote: »

Why must you be so delicate with your wording? Say what you feel, man! :rotflmao

I thought that WAS delicate. :wink

Billy No Mates

divn4$ wrote: »

But, But, i got famliy that depend on me......

Exactly. They can't depend on you if your dead!

[email protected] Special

divn4$ wrote: »

I have been working underwater for thirty years belive me when i say its not a good job.

I have owned and run a commercial construction diving company and we have done many things that could be considered unsafe.

We start with an Activity Hazard Analysis to define the dangers and mitigate them. Our divers have done penetration dives in pipelines as far as 1500 feet with proper safety mitigation. We have spent 7 days on an ocean site with decom chambers on board.

If you cannot define and mitigate the safety issues, don't do it!

Oh, we have never injured a diver, although divers have left my job, gone to another assignment and lost their life within a week of leaving my employment.

We have dived in "hot chambers" at FPL nuke plants, and dove in sewage treatment plants. Its all about the planning.

That said, we would not take a job at an outfall from a tuna processing plant in PR due to shark issues and turned that work down!

FWCSnook

Its called discretion. Flying en route is not the issue with a max weight aircraft. Its all the runway you will use getting off the ground, as well as making sure you don't exceed CG limits (important for both takeoff AND landing!). Also make sure the tires aren't totally flattened from the weight. As far as the job itself, what exactly are you responsible for. Borderline jobs require A LOT of pre planning, where the dangers are, who does what, all the what ifs, etc. Knowing when to say no is also a very overlooked quality.

Lobstercatcher229

Yes knowing when to say no is very important. You have to balance that with the thought that, "if you don't have it on the shelf, no one will buy it". The more services and or products you can offer your customers the more opportunities to feed the family.

[email protected] Special

Divn, pm me with details if you want a quote for that job.

Mackeral Snatcher

I think you have already made the call to pass on the job.
FWIW I think you did the right thing, you can't be doing things right if your scared of something going wrong.

Saltworm

guitarman wrote: »

If your seeking sympathy or logic you came to the wrong place.

Quote of the day material right there.