Resort world has town hall meeting in Bimini

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  • alacrity wrote: »
    i hope you are right, but i would hope if and when they exit, that they take down the pier!

    Alacrity, the best thing when they leave is to leave the Island there. Maybe take out the pier and the landing at the beach, but the environmental damage will have been done and to remove it will only start the damage process all over again. Once things stabilize, the damage can begin to repair itself, granted a 30 to 50 year process, but it will begin once construction stops.
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    I saw that RW is teaming up with Big Game for the Wahoo Tournament. Does that mean that now Big Game is the enemy as well? It seems that the Saunders Brothers are all on board, as well as the most other already successful business people from the island, and most of the clergy. Does this mean that all of them are the enemy to you guys as well? Your echo chamber is getting more empty by the minute. Despite the missteps, the band will play on, whether you like it or not. But please continue to post, it is amusing how much some "news" is cherry picked, while any source that has good news is labeled as a bought source or worst. I live there and most are happy with the new income source. Most of the stuff I see posted as "fact" by some is rumor, fantasy and innuendo. I would love to see some of the posters post how many days they actually spent on Bimini in the last year, honestly post the real numbers. Would anyone like to start? I spent 345 days there last year, and will spend at least that much this year. While I don't agree with the method used at times, the results are showing up all over the island, slowly but surely we are returning to the numbers from the Bacardi days, when the island was much more crowded than it has been in the last 18 years or so.
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,130 AG
    Compleat wrote: »
    The pier on the other hand I'm thinking would be a real "target" when the swell gets kickin. Even gentle motion from a ship that size rubbing would put a load of load on it.

    Yeah, my home dock in Lauderdale just suffered damage due to the winds, etc. I'm letting my buddy dock his 50 foot trawler on my sturdy (built by Sea Tech) dock but with the recent gusty north winds, the boat has ripped off a 6 foot long piling fender and cracked another one from the steady pressure, gentle shifting of the boat in the winds, etc. Repairs soon to follow.........

    And it won't make any difference which side of the east/west pier they dock the RW ship on. It will either be banging into the pier in a north wind, or pulling on it when docked on the south side of the pier.

    "There is a REASON why ships tie up in HARBORS!"

    Right after D-Day, the Allies sunk SHIPS in shallow water just offshore in order to make a man-made harbor and jetty and gues what, within a month they and the floating Mulberry piers were torn to shreds!
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,130 AG
    From their "logic" and business minds:

    "So when you look at 1400 people living in Bimini welcoming 1500 visitors per day, it’s only a ratio of 1 to 1.”

    So!! Under that logic, Orlando, which has a population of about one million people........ ought to be able to handle one million visitors PER DAY......... right?

    Insanity......... And the poor folks in Bimini have virtually no say in thi$ matter.......
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    It will be docking on the island, no banging on the pier. And the poor folks in Bimini are not nearly as poor, or uncapable of handling themselves as you would believe. The successful Biminites, and there are many, know exactly how to play this game and are doing well at it. Those on the wrong side of the current political big shots are being left out, and are the biggest complainers, however, when their political party was in power, it was exactly the same, but in reverse. The assumption that the Biminites need or want those from the U.S. to protect them from the big monster that is RW, while quaint, is not correct. You actually play right into their hands as well. Funny how that works, but to underestimate the Biminites is a misconception on your part. Everyone has their hand out now, and its working.
  • biminibradbiminibrad Posts: 373 Deckhand
    Docking on the island? Please explain, thanks.
  • alacrityalacrity Posts: 2,662 Captain
    biminibrad wrote: »
    Docking on the island? Please explain, thanks.

    i think this means the island that RW plans on building as part of the pier.


  • The fact that it is an Island and not a pier has little effect on the hydrodynamic forces it will experience,in fact the reflective wave may doulce the damage, but maybe we should listen to our newly awakened resident Oceanaire.....(Now he is a Port Engineer) :rotflmao
  • lbudlbud Posts: 1,014 Officer
    Like I`ve said before, They are bringing to Bimini what I hate most about a trip to Bimini. SOUTH FLORIDA!!!
    Live while You're breathing! It's Your only chance.....:grin
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,130 AG
    It will be docking on the island, no banging on the pier. And the poor folks in Bimini are not nearly as poor, or uncapable of handling themselves as you would believe. The successful Biminites, and there are many, know exactly how to play this game and are doing well at it. The assumption that the Biminites need or want those from the U.S. to protect them from the big monster that is RW, while quaint, is not correct. You actually play right into their hands as well. Funny how that works, but to underestimate the Biminites is a misconception on your part.

    First it was a dock/pier, then it was going to have "flow through" like a normal pier, then it was going to be an "island". Now you're saying that it's going to be docked/tied right ON the island........... Yup, this is ALL under control by The Bimini People as you claim.

    For the record, "I" never said that Bimini needs help or protection from Americans...... so please do not put words in my posts.
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    lbud wrote: »
    Like I`ve said before, They are bringing to Bimini what I hate most about a trip to Bimini. SOUTH FLORIDA!!!
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    That was in reply to the post right above mine.
  • mfieldvimfieldvi Posts: 44 Greenhorn
    That was in reply to the post right above mine.

    Since it's not been permitted yet, chances are the design is evolving as the reality of construction sets in. I'm sure the hope was to get something started, permitted and then amend the permit if necessary or ignore it altogether.
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    I think you are correct, as with most projects of this magnitude, it will evolve as it continues. The biggest problems I have with threads like this is the total negative spin it puts on Bimini.

    A poster on Thehulltruth was positively gleeful and hopeful that all will fail. He used to post here until he was banned. He called for a total boycott of anything/anyone associated with the last tournament at Big Game, because Resorts World was one of the 17 sponsors. When he was challenged, he turned it to a personal attack on the debate, stating mistruths and smearing anyone that disagreed. He has since been banned from the site.

    IF you want to preach the sermon that you hope that all fails, then you should also offer a way forward for those that desire to move up in their life that live there. If you are just going to go negative on every move to make the island a more employable place, then also offer REAL alternatives. I know at least 50-75 people personally that are from Bimini and have their first real employment within Resorts World. They are not hoping for failure, and neither is their family.

    I still challenge any of the negative posters here that claim to speak for "all of Bimini" to state how much time they are on the island yearly. Like I have said before, I am starting my second full year here, and I can assure you Resorts World is not viewed the monster at the end of the island, but an economic engine. I challenge those that start these threads to state how much time they have spent living on Bimini, or for that matter even coming here. I think it will not amount to the length of time necessary to really give a good impression of what is happening here. In that respect, I am glad that posters such as Bimini Brad that give a real assessment of the changes.

    All is not lost, Bimini is and will remain beautiful, and the Biminites will continue to reap the benefits of the first new employer to come to the island in decades. Even Big Game can see that a success at the north end is a success for everyone on the island. It is time those that are going to just cherry pick the negative news to step aside and let the future begin.

    You cannot expect the next generation of Biminites to be the keepers of your childhood and young adult memories at the cost of their economic futures.
  • I think you are correct, as with most projects of this magnitude, it will evolve as it continues. The biggest problems I have with threads like this is the total negative spin it puts on Bimini.

    A poster on Thehulltruth was positively gleeful and hopeful that all will fail. He used to post here until he was banned. He called for a total boycott of anything/anyone associated with the last tournament at Big Game, because Resorts World was one of the 17 sponsors. When he was challenged, he turned it to a personal attack on the debate, stating mistruths and smearing anyone that disagreed. He has since been banned from the site.

    IF you want to preach the sermon that you hope that all fails, then you should also offer a way forward for those that desire to move up in their life that live there. If you are just going to go negative on every move to make the island a more employable place, then also offer REAL alternatives. I know at least 50-75 people personally that are from Bimini and have their first real employment within Resorts World. They are not hoping for failure, and neither is their family.

    I still challenge any of the negative posters here that claim to speak for "all of Bimini" to state how much time they are on the island yearly. Like I have said before, I am starting my second full year here, and I can assure you Resorts World is not viewed the monster at the end of the island, but an economic engine. I challenge those that start these threads to state how much time they have spent living on Bimini, or for that matter even coming here. I think it will not amount to the length of time necessary to really give a good impression of what is happening here. In that respect, I am glad that posters such as Bimini Brad that give a real assessment of the changes.

    All is not lost, Bimini is and will remain beautiful, and the Biminites will continue to reap the benefits of the first new employer to come to the island in decades. Even Big Game can see that a success at the north end is a success for everyone on the island. It is time those that are going to just cherry pick the negative news to step aside and let the future begin.

    You cannot expect the next generation of Biminites to be the keepers of your childhood and young adult memories at the cost of their economic futures.

    While you may have taken up cheap residence on that Island over the past few years, you actually know very little about Bimini and what is sustainable and what is not.
  • testerman28testerman28 Posts: 1,329 Officer
    pfffttt.. just go down the street to wallmart.. :)~
  • alacrityalacrity Posts: 2,662 Captain

    IF you want to preach the sermon that you hope that all fails, then you should also offer a way forward for those that desire to move up in their life that live there. If you are just going to go negative on every move to make the island a more employable place, then also offer REAL alternatives. I know at least 50-75 people personally that are from Bimini and have their first real employment within Resorts World. They are not hoping for failure, and neither is their family.

    agreed entirely. i brought up this point several months ago.


  • SapingasKangasSapingasKangas Posts: 279 Officer
    Oceanaire, I understand your sentiments and they should perhaps carry more weight than that of others who don't own in Bimini. My personal opinion is that construction should occur as warranted and not just construct for the sake of construction, I have visited BB on many occasions and it has felt a ghost town. I also believe opinion of those that speak on behalf of the environment should be heard and considered as they represent an entity without a voice. BTW, at some point in the future as a storm approaches from the east you may wish those mangroves be present.
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    While you may have taken up cheap residence on that Island over the past few years, you actually know very little about Bimini and what is sustainable and what is not.

    My "cheap" residence, if you include all of my properties, was considerably more than your "cheap" residence in the filled in mangroves of South Florida, and yet I don't try to tell you what to do with your land. It's called progress. I can't imagine if a group of Bahamians tried to stop the ever expanding development on your side of the stream. I am sure you would listen and obey. SO, what is your plan to help Bimini economically? Oh, that's right, there isn't one. Under the watch of a lot of anti posters, the island became what it was a few years ago, empty and broke. Your three weeks a year there do not sustain a full time population. I have spent more real living time there in the last few years than you have in your entire life. I think I have the upper hand when it comes to REAL insight, not vacation boy insight.
  • SapingasKangasSapingasKangas Posts: 279 Officer
    I like that, "vacation boy". That's like ruler from afar.
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    Looks like the Ron has abandoned this thread, too much pressure to come up with his own plan to move Bimini forward. It's a shame when someone starts these negative threads and then when pressed to provide some sort of crediblity, walks away. I want everyone on the island to move up, and I try to influence that as much as possible with my posts and suggestions. It's been about a year since I jumped into this fray, and at this point I am glad that I stood my ground and carried on in the face of much abuse and personal attacks by the father/son team. As the project moves on, I think the overwelming result will be a positive one for Biminites, even if those from Ron's camp are not happy with it. Hoping for another failure on this already impoverished island is never a good position.
  • Stroker AceStroker Ace Posts: 335 Deckhand
    There is no hoping it will fail. It will fail before genting gets there approval to build a casino on the Miami herald site or when Cuba opens up. Which is the only reason the genting group is in Bimini.
  • Blue ZoneBlue Zone Posts: 414 Officer
    Looks like the Ron has abandoned this thread, too much pressure to come up with his own plan to move Bimini forward. It's a shame when someone starts these negative threads and then when pressed to provide some sort of crediblity, walks away. I want everyone on the island to move up, and I try to influence that as much as possible with my posts and suggestions. It's been about a year since I jumped into this fray, and at this point I am glad that I stood my ground and carried on in the face of much abuse and personal attacks by the father/son team. As the project moves on, I think the overwelming result will be a positive one for Biminites, even if those from Ron's camp are not happy with it. Hoping for another failure on this already impoverished island is never a good position.

    I wouldn’t be quite so smug about all of this; there are still a few balls in the air.

    I am neither on Ron’s team nor yours, but I do think what RW is doing is a shameful travesty for not only Bimini and its environment but also for Bimini Bay. RW has entered the frame with an arrogance, misdirection and miscalculation whose effects will extend far beyond the gates of BB.

    Let’s be clear on one thing. Although your posts and suggestions are indeed welcome, your only ties to Bimini are the six or so docklines holding your ragboat to the dock. Your posts on here neither weigh more nor less than anyone else’s, ok?
  • dpdashdpdash Posts: 5,359 Admiral
    There is no hoping it will fail. It will fail before genting gets there approval to build a casino on the Miami herald site or when Cuba opens up. Which is the only reason the genting group is in Bimini.

    That was my opinion over a year ago, this is just window dressing to stay active in this area until FL or Cuba becomes viable.
    Blue Zone wrote: »
    I wouldn’t be quite so smug about all of this; there are still a few balls in the air.

    I am neither on Ron’s team nor yours, but I do think what RW is doing is a shameful travesty for not only Bimini and its environment but also for Bimini Bay. RW has entered the frame with an arrogance, misdirection and miscalculation whose effects will extend far beyond the gates of BB.

    Let’s be clear on one thing. Although your posts and suggestions are indeed welcome, your only ties to Bimini are the six or so docklines holding your ragboat to the dock. Your posts on here neither weigh more nor less than anyone else’s, ok?


    I also could not agree more
  • 2amigo2amigo Posts: 4,283 Captain
    Blue Zone wrote: »
    I wouldn’t be quite so smug about all of this; there are still a few balls in the air.

    I am neither on Ron’s team nor yours, but I do think what RW is doing is a shameful travesty for not only Bimini and its environment but also for Bimini Bay. RW has entered the frame with an arrogance, misdirection and miscalculation whose effects will extend far beyond the gates of BB.

    Let’s be clear on one thing. Although your posts and suggestions are indeed welcome, your only ties to Bimini are the six or so docklines holding your ragboat to the dock. Your posts on here neither weigh more nor less than anyone else’s, ok?

    This^
  • lbudlbud Posts: 1,014 Officer
    2amigo wrote: »
    This^

    Ditto!
    Live while You're breathing! It's Your only chance.....:grin
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    Blue Zone wrote: »
    I wouldn’t be quite so smug about all of this; there are still a few balls in the air.

    I am neither on Ron’s team nor yours, but I do think what RW is doing is a shameful travesty for not only Bimini and its environment but also for Bimini Bay. RW has entered the frame with an arrogance, misdirection and miscalculation whose effects will extend far beyond the gates of BB.

    Let’s be clear on one thing. Although your posts and suggestions are indeed welcome, your only ties to Bimini are the six or so docklines holding your ragboat to the dock. Your posts on here neither weigh more nor less than anyone else’s, ok?

    I have considerable more ties to Bimini than six dock lines. The advantage of my posts is that I really live here now, so I see the day to day needs that are not being met by the current situation. My peeve is the posters that speak with such authority but have never tried to get the normal day to day products and services that they take for granted back in South Florida. My circle of friends reaches the ends of both islands, so I am not unaware of the challenges with a change such as this, along with the possible rewards. I don't claim special knowledge, but some of the negative here is without merit or fact, just wild rumor and innuendo, which, by the way, is often perpetuated by those on the opposing political party here in the Bahamas. While I am not a Bahamian by any stretch of the imagination, I don't preach and demand from these folks either
  • testerman28testerman28 Posts: 1,329 Officer
    I read something about a CBP issues that will take a toll.. Bimini was never big enough for this.. 600 dwellings alone for workers..
  • KeysbearKeysbear Posts: 132 Deckhand
    I have considerable more ties to Bimini than six dock lines. The advantage of my posts is that I really live here now, so I see the day to day needs that are not being met by the current situation. My peeve is the posters that speak with such authority but have never tried to get the normal day to day products and services that they take for granted back in South Florida. My circle of friends reaches the ends of both islands, so I am not unaware of the challenges with a change such as this, along with the possible rewards. I don't claim special knowledge, but some of the negative here is without merit or fact, just wild rumor and innuendo, which, by the way, is often perpetuated by those on the opposing political party here in the Bahamas. While I am not a Bahamian by any stretch of the imagination, I don't preach and demand from these folks either

    I wish the people of Bimini nothing but the best. I have traveled there and fished there since the early 80's. I have seen it at its best, and in the last few years, it's worst. I completely understand the economic needs of the citizens of Bimini, and I know they are not being met. The population of Bimini is struggling. That being said, it is my opinion that this Resorts World/Bimini Bay idea is a dumb one. The island is too small and lacks the fresh water, sanitation facilities, and infra-structure to support the "promised" 500,000 visitors a year. The attractiveness and value of the homes that once were Bimini Bay, are severely diminished by the RW development. Nothing like a $1M home on a tropical island , where the sight of drunk 20 something's puking in the common areas is all too common.

    The dredging, filling, and construction will inevitably harm the water and the marine environment that makes Bimini so desirable in the first place. The 1500 residents of Bimini would be much better served by having a voice in the development and direction of their home island, rather than being sold a bunch of BS by Genting and the government in Nassau, that failed to even involve Bimini in their decision to let this development proceed in the first place. When RW collapses, my fear is that the island will be in worse shape than before. A profitable and growing business model centered around recreational fishing, diving, water sports and pristine laid back beaches could be developed if the government of the Bahamas could see past the tips of their greedy outstretched hands.

    Smaller rental and hotel developments, a real charter boat fleet, more eco-friendly tourism, all these could be developed and made profitable if there was a plan and vision for Bimini. Right now I see no such plan. I do know that RW will fail and collapse within two years. There is no demand for another casino in the Bahamas, and the tourists that will come on the boat will come once or twice and then move on. They are not the type of tourists that will appreciate the beauty and uniqueness of the island, and that is a shame.
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