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  • biminibradbiminibrad Posts: 373 Deckhand
    They should have done this long ago, I must admitt, although intrusive, with water being allowed to flow, it is the the best of the worst case. Heard thru grape vine owners in Bimini bay are pissed and nothing they can do. Funny how things work out.
  • Al BundyAl Bundy Posts: 247 Deckhand
    So, how is this Superfast going to do in January with a 20-25mph north wind?
  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,774 Captain
    Al, its a big boat built for the 30foot plus seas of the north sea... They wont even notice... The pier on the other hand I'm thinking would be a real "target" when the swell gets kickin. Even gentle motion from a ship that size rubbing would put a load of load on it.
  • Compleat wrote: »
    Al, its a big boat built for the 30foot plus seas of the north sea... They wont even notice... The pier on the other hand I'm thinking would be a real "target" when the swell gets kickin. Even gentle motion from a ship that size rubbing would put a load of load on it.

    Complete, How is a 16' draft ship going to handle the gulfstream on a NW blow? Are you sure that thing operated in open ocean with 30' seas?

    On the Bimini Bay owners, how about those who paid high dollar for that beachfront and the view, and now they will look out over an industrial pier!

    doesn't make sense.


    On the press release, first of all, No One would mobilize a tug, barge, crane and pile rig to drive "test piling". This is BS, they started without permits and got stopped! Any info about pile driving was gained by the soil borings done by the first barge. (the one that sunk!)
  • dpdashdpdash Posts: 5,359 Admiral
    That article is so full of BS it is astonishing. Talk about saying what people want to hear! Good luck implementing 1/10th of what they said.
  • SapingasKangasSapingasKangas Posts: 279 Officer
    Advice : Serenity Prayer
  • BiminiwallBiminiwall Posts: 79 Deckhand
    Compleat wrote: »
    Al, its a big boat built for the 30foot plus seas of the north sea... They wont even notice... The pier on the other hand I'm thinking would be a real "target" when the swell gets kickin. Even gentle motion from a ship that size rubbing would put a load of load on it.

    That boat cant handle 30 foot seas. Oasis of the Seas had people throwing up in 30 foot seas and suitcases flying everywhere.

    Oasis of the seas - 100,000 Metric Tons

    Bimini Super Fast - 32,000 Metric Tons.
  • SapingasKangasSapingasKangas Posts: 279 Officer
    Doomsday Preppers : You're thinking Hurricane Andrew, typical winter seas are 6-8, 8-10, 10-12, and a bit higher in the Gulfstream.
    30 footers is Elephant Weed and surfboards.
  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,774 Captain
    Its in the design... This one is state of the art north sea type. As for Oasis or her sister ships you would barely notice 30 footers either. I was on one of their smaller ones (Royal carribean) in Alaska with big storm just off shore of us and yhough you could sense motion the dampeners they use on them made it a non issue... Holland america which I did western Carribean aslo during rough stuff was same thing... Not like the vomit comet ferry boat they did have running... As noted above seldom does it get much past 10-12 out there even on the worst blows...
    Again the question mark is can the pier take it and my guess would be... Not for very long unless they come up with some real state of the art construction techniques... As I say that though I think of the Chessepeake Bay Bridge Tunnel built back in the 60s I think. That thing takes a steady hammering from Noreasters and hurricanes and it is still standing... I would still consider the pier the weak link in the chain...
  • DNA: What's going on in Bimini?
    By Democratic National Alliance (DNA)
    Oct 16, 2013 - 1:42:35 PM

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    The Democratic National Alliance is asking the PLP government to explain to the Bahamian people how they could allow a foreign company to begin the building of a pier in Bimini without the necessary permits. Indeed a senior PLP Minister has confirmed that the building has commenced without the necessary approvals, in particular an Environmental Impact Assessment and an Environmental Management Plan. It has further come to the DNA’s attention that persons working on the pier have not obtained the necessary work permits from the Department of Immigration. In other words they are working here illegally and this illegality is being sanctioned by the PLP government.
    We in the DNA and on behalf of the Bahamian people ask the government how can they allow this to happen? What is going on in our country? We are not aware of any possible environmental impact the building of the pier may have and yet Resorts World Bimini have “mobilized”, in the words of their public affairs officer. We ask the government, would they allow a Bahamian to do the same thing that Resorts World Bimini is doing without the necessary permits? Is it ok for some to break the law and others not to? We also ask the question of the government, since they claim that they believe in Bahamians, why did they not allow a Bahamian firm to carry out the proposed works?

    It is actions like this or the lack thereof by the government that makes our country continue to be third world and described as a Banana Republic. We in the DNA ask this PLP government for God sake to govern this country!
  • BiminiwallBiminiwall Posts: 79 Deckhand
    Compleat wrote: »
    Its in the design... This one is state of the art north sea type. As for Oasis or her sister ships you would barely notice 30 footers either. I was on one of their smaller ones (Royal carribean) in Alaska with big storm just off shore of us and yhough you could sense motion the dampeners they use on them made it a non issue... Holland america which I did western Carribean aslo during rough stuff was same thing... Not like the vomit comet ferry boat they did have running... As noted above seldom does it get much past 10-12 out there even on the worst blows...
    Again the question mark is can the pier take it and my guess would be... Not for very long unless they come up with some real state of the art construction techniques... As I say that though I think of the Chessepeake Bay Bridge Tunnel built back in the 60s I think. That thing takes a steady hammering from Noreasters and hurricanes and it is still standing... I would still consider the pier the weak link in the chain...

    I was on Liberty of the Seas in Nassau while some NE winds blew. This was the largest ship in the world until Oasis...We had 13 foot rollers rocking the hell out of the boat. This was in Nassau!!!!

    Here is the same size and ship maker of the Bimini Super fast in 30 foot seas. Obviously I know you were exaggerating, but lets be clear. 30 foot seas will rock a US Navy Aircraft carrier.
  • Gary MGary M Posts: 13,182 AG
    We did a cruise (Celebrity) in 2008 and it took us three days to cross the Tasman Sea from Tasmania to the South Island of New Zealand. These can be some of the roughest seas on the planet. One morning the Capt announced that we'd be enjoying 35 knot winds from the north (we were heading east) and seas of 15 feet! Here's the view from our cabin! :hairraiser

    DSC00904.jpg

    But, I agree that the real issue will be that big ship pushing/pulling against this pier..... every day for hours on end. And will there be top quality tug boats and crews to assist it on/off the pier? This is a train wreck that's just bound to happen.
  • Blue ZoneBlue Zone Posts: 414 Officer
    biminibrad wrote: »

    Brad,

    You should well know that the site you link here is not a source of objective news; it's a shameful and obvious puff piece and perhaps more succinctly, a load of crap. Exporting conch to SoFla? How blatantly stupid can they be to even bring that up?

    These people are hijacking the island of Bimini and your posts casting RW in a favorable light are frankly becoming suspect. It's odd how you and I have switched sides from the earlier BB debate.
  • CompleatCompleat Posts: 2,774 Captain
    Umm... Wall... That is the Clelia II, Italian (mediterranean)built 290' classed as mega yacht. Bimini superfast was built in Germany (north sea) and 204 Meters (642 feet)... Point being the boat will take the 8 foot crap with stray 12 our stream is gonna kick at her ugliest (short of hurricane) and never miss a lick. The pier is a different story. Boat can move with water. Fixed object gets slammed by the water incessantly. I forget how much a cubic yard of water weighs but its a lot. Now multiply that by almost three times the height and three more times the thickness on an average swell then times the length of a pier. Thats a tremendous force and I believe over time will take its toll.
    Heck, I look at damage caused by knee high wakes thrown from a hundred yards away on cement and steel sea walls and thats a lot!
  • biminibradbiminibrad Posts: 373 Deckhand
    Blue zone, the site I linked is the only shred of evidence I have of rw engaging the public. I am happy that the pier is on pilings instead of a solid 1000' structure.my first thought was sand build up and what will the sea life that cruises the beach daily do. I would rather not see a pier, but this is the better of a bad situation IMHO. As far as the Bahamian govt, no doubt the fix was in a while ago.I will say that I have been to the casino four times, my buddy provides them sea food and my guess is 20% of the staff are Biminites. The best part is they are sticking this thing in front of the people that bought million dollar plus homes.
  • INTREPID377INTREPID377 Posts: 3,737 Captain
    "He stated that when he first came to the island, he recognized that Bimini has gone through better times and he questioned how the island could be made wealthy again. The answer lies in Bimini’s geographic location – the closest Bahamian island to South Florida he said, as is the case with Singapore which is prosperous because it’s on way to China."

    Well that's just AWESOME. The guy in charge of the project has a vision of making Bimini just like Singapore. Maybe they'll build s **** house in Bimini Bay?

    I'm also amused by his comparing 30M tourists/year in Miami (questionable number) to DOUBLING the population of Bimini on a daily basis. Seriously, what the hell are these guys thinking?

    I love Bimini but, eventually these projects will fail because frankly, if you don't fish or dive there's really not much to do their. I don't see a lot of people visiting twice. Hope the Island at least gets some infrastructure upgrades out of the deal that will last after Genteg is long gone.
  • testerman28testerman28 Posts: 1,329 Officer
    I have heard for years Bimini people are lazy, they don't do anything .., they don't move very fast.. but ask yourself this: why the heck should they? they 'had' a beautiful island. now it will change.
  • BspotBspot Posts: 189 Officer
    It's offical, permit approved yesterday. Pier to be completed by Dec.
  • Blue ZoneBlue Zone Posts: 414 Officer
    "He stated that when he first came to the island, he recognized that Bimini has gone through better times and he questioned how the island could be made wealthy again. The answer lies in Bimini’s geographic location – the closest Bahamian island to South Florida he said, as is the case with Singapore which is prosperous because it’s on way to China."

    Well that's just AWESOME. The guy in charge of the project has a vision of making Bimini just like Singapore. Maybe they'll build s **** house in Bimini Bay?

    I'm also amused by his comparing 30M tourists/year in Miami (questionable number) to DOUBLING the population of Bimini on a daily basis. Seriously, what the hell are these guys thinking?

    I love Bimini but, eventually these projects will fail because frankly, if you don't fish or dive there's really not much to do their. I don't see a lot of people visiting twice. Hope the Island at least gets some infrastructure upgrades out of the deal that will last after Genteg is long gone.

    Supposedly, Grand Bahama gets 3m "tourists" per year. The island has a population of 40k. That is a nice ratio, but it doesn't do jack for the locals, but it has lined very well the pockets of the GB Port Authority in port fees.

    If the "tourists" actually leave the ships, they buy a t-shirt and leave.
  • Not only erxport conch, it said export Bimini Bread!

    What kind of operation could make money exporting the 12 loafs of Bimini bread not eaten on the Island.

    Oh I guess they will make it at that big bread factory over where Manny's used to be! LOL
  • Compleat wrote: »
    Umm... Wall... That is the Clelia II, Italian (mediterranean)built 290' classed as mega yacht. Bimini superfast was built in Germany (north sea) and 204 Meters (642 feet)... Point being the boat will take the 8 foot crap with stray 12 our stream is gonna kick at her ugliest (short of hurricane) and never miss a lick. The pier is a different story. Boat can move with water. Fixed object gets slammed by the water incessantly. I forget how much a cubic yard of water weighs but its a lot. Now multiply that by almost three times the height and three more times the thickness on an average swell then times the length of a pier. Thats a tremendous force and I believe over time will take its toll.
    Heck, I look at damage caused by knee high wakes thrown from a hundred yards away on cement and steel sea walls and thats a lot!

    1738 lbs per cubic yard!

    That boat will not be able to dock when they have a NW swell! In fact it may wash over the dock depending on elevation.

    This actually is going to be fun watching them drop $150 mill before they run home!
  • snookyjsnookyj Posts: 1,687 Officer

    This actually is going to be fun watching them drop $150 mill before they run home!

    Best statement ever!!!!
  • theoceanairetheoceanaire Posts: 85 Greenhorn
    The boat will dock at the island. Free flow through pier will eventually become a sort of reef in itself. That's the way it happens all over the world, and that's the way it will happen here. These people will not "run home". These people are here to stay.
  • saltyseniorsaltysenior Posts: 865 Officer
    Just like Castaway Cay, but with gambling, and a few more hands in the "till"
  • Blue ZoneBlue Zone Posts: 414 Officer
    The boat will dock at the island. Free flow through pier will eventually become a sort of reef in itself. That's the way it happens all over the world, and that's the way it will happen here. These people will not "run home". These people are here to stay.

    I would not be quite so certain of that. On occasion monumental arrogance and lack of adequate due diligence overrule the depth of one's pockets. You may also know that nothing, including opportunism, is ever certain in Bahamian politics.
  • INTREPID377INTREPID377 Posts: 3,737 Captain
    These people will not "run home". These people are here to stay.

    Yeah they will. They're going to realize they were swindled into a bad deal. These guys from Singapore act like Bimini is some new discovery. Bimini's been their a long time. Beyond water activities, there's not much to do there. Certainly nothing that will attract the nearly 600,000/year they've projected. In a few years, this will become obvious.

    One thing about deep pocket companies, they can afford to make mistakes and walk away. For them to lose $150M+ won't be a big deal and they'll end up donating the largest fishing pier in the Bahamas to the people of Bimini.
  • testerman28testerman28 Posts: 1,329 Officer
    they can make a Mallory Square out of the pier.. like in Key West.. :) Cat Show and sunsets.. throw in some green underwater lights, good island music and Junkanoo shows.. a cpl hand lines and fold out chairs to rent.. you will have something ..
  • alacrityalacrity Posts: 2,665 Captain
    Yeah they will. They're going to realize they were swindled into a bad deal. These guys from Singapore act like Bimini is some new discovery. Bimini's been their a long time. Beyond water activities, there's not much to do there. Certainly nothing that will attract the nearly 600,000/year they've projected. In a few years, this will become obvious.

    One thing about deep pocket companies, they can afford to make mistakes and walk away. For them to lose $150M+ won't be a big deal and they'll end up donating the largest fishing pier in the Bahamas to the people of Bimini.

    i hope you are right, but i would hope if and when they exit, that they take down the pier!


  • BiminiwallBiminiwall Posts: 79 Deckhand
    Resort World took everything people hate from a major cruise line and amplified it. Horrible customer service, huge long check in lines, even longer horrible tender service to the island, and a 2 hour visit to an island with no bathrooms or common areas.

    And they wonder why they cannot book any tickets to the island.
  • FWCSnookFWCSnook Posts: 886 Officer
    A cubic foot of seawater weighs 64lbs. This is such a **** mess...
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