Jupiter 6-29

brianb

I've learned that it is impossible to go out boating/fishing without breaking some obscure rule. At least you caught something, way to go.

B.Wilmot

I've always noticed the long white rope going into the water also lol. But hey I've yet to drift into an anchored boat lol

Catchem up !!!!
BW

B.Wilmot

And I caught 2 more fish while he was trying to come along side lol

Catchem up!!!
BW

notreely

mjrodriguez300 wrote: »

you must not know how biscayne bay is on weekends huh! lol Im on the water often and if I have any vessels around me (minimum 50ft) ****s not on the menu.

how someone on a drift who isnt eating **** can collide into anything is ****.

No I have not spent anytime operating a vessel on biscayne bay on a weekend and I hope I never have to. It could be that I have never operated a vessel at all, or it could be that I have a 500 ton masters license for 25 years and operated vessels up and down the east coast. It does not change the fact that you should have an anchor ball up to give notice to other vessels navigating in the area. I could just turn your argument around and say anyone who is anchored and did not notice another vessel navigating on a collision course with him, and did not try to avoid the collision by starting his boat up or using a line wrench to free the vessel from anchor is eating ****.

notreely

B.Wilmot wrote: »

I've always noticed the long white rope going into the water also lol. But hey I've yet to drift into an anchored boat lol

Catchem up !!!!
BW

But you did not notice a thirty foot Grady white on a collision course with you! Lol!!!

mjrodriguez300

notreely wrote: »

No I have not spent anytime operating a vessel on biscayne bay on a weekend and I hope I never have to. It could be that I have never operated a vessel at all, or it could be that I have a 500 ton masters license for 25 years and operated vessels up and down the east coast. It does not change the fact that you should have an anchor ball up to give notice to other vessels navigating in the area. I could just turn your argument around and say anyone who is anchored and did not notice another vessel navigating on a collision course with him, and did not try to avoid the collision by starting his boat up or using a line wrench to free the vessel from anchor is eating ****.

Pack up your keyboards people this guy is a master. Next time im anchored ill have my girlfriend on standby on the anchor so every time anyone drifts by she can just hoist it up and i can evade any possible collision. Good talk.

notreely

Are you guys saying you would not use an anchor light at night?

B.Wilmot

It was the middle of the day with 12 mile visibility!!!!! Come on now !!!!!!!

SaltwataSlaughta

There is a culture of less courtesy amongst fisherman on this side of the state except BGP on the west coast. Takes 2 seconds to fire up the outboard and move over 50 ft. BW was there first

notreely

SaltwataSlaughta wrote: »

There is a culture of less courtesy amongst fisherman on this side of the state except BGP on the west coast. Takes 2 seconds to fire up the outboard and move over 50 ft. BW was there first

I agree with you about a culture of less courtesy and I understand it only takes a few seconds to move. I do not think this is a courtesy issue, it's a safety issue. I don't think people realize how fast the drift is , either if their drifting or on the anchor. Suppose your a quarter mile south of a anchored boat and look over your shoulder and notice a boat that appears to be heading do south with his outriggers out, I don't think it's unreasonable to think the vessel is trolling. I also don't think you can expect most people to have the bionic eyesight that some people on this forum seem to have. Being able to see 1/2 inch anchor line stretched tightrope tight from a quarter mile away is probably asking to much from most people. That's what day markers are for. The boat drifting north at 4 knots with the northerly current ( probably faster with southerly wind that day) will drift that quarter mile in 3 minutes and 15 seconds. Not a lot of time for you average boater to access the situation,let alone one fishing with his or her family or one who's eating ****.

Dirty Oar

It's unreasonable to assume the average boater can see an anchored boat from 1/4 mile away?

In your scenario the boater is an idiot. Therefore all the day markers in the world would not help.

What's with your obsession for eating ****?

notreely

Dirty Oar wrote: »

It's unreasonable to assume the average boater can see an anchored boat from 1/4 mile away?

In your scenario the boater is an idiot. Therefore all the day markers in the world would not help.

What's with your obsession for eating ****?

I don't have an obsession with eating ****,I didn't bring it up I was trying to have an informative intelligent conversation. I was unsuccessful in getting my point across so I figured I dumb it down a little, it was childish . I did not describe the person in my last scenario as an idiot. Even if it was your average boater who knows little about the basic rules of the road,which this forum seems to have many people that fit that description. Or if it was a complete boating novice, maybe noticing a day marker ( even not knowing what it was ) might make them pay more attention to the situation and realize it was an anchored boat.

Roc N Rol

Here is what I found in my search

"Although large Vessels must display certain shapes by day whenever they are at anchor or aground, this does not apply to small boats in most situations."
"Vessels under 7 meters (23') need to show no shape if they are NOT at anchor in or near a narrow channel or fairway, anchorage, or where vessels normally navigate. Vessels under 20 meters (65.7') need not display a shape when at anchor in a special anchorage area; and vessels less than 12 meters (39.4') are not required to shapes when aground or operating with limited manueverability, except for diving operations."
"In all other situations, vessels at anchor must hoist a ball-shaped daymark forward where it can be seen. This is the signal displayed by the large vessels whenever at anchor. Similarly, a vessel aground must display three ball shapes in a vertical line."

It basically says the same thing that your copy said. But the way I interoperate it is if you are under 23' you need to display nothing unless you are at anchor in or near a narrow channel or fairway, anchorage, or where vessels normally navigate. I don't think they mean the whole ocean or anywhere a boat can go as normally navigateable water, if that were the case it would not take any explaining, you would have to display the markers anytime and anywhere you dropped the anchor. If that were the case there would be no need to have any exceptions to the rule. The anchored boat was not in the wrong and the drifting boat was at fault. Your interpretation of normally navigated water is incorrect, in this case because they are talking about channels and heavy traffic areas of navigation, not a spot in the ocean where boaters intermingle while fishing.

B.Wilmot

Ty Roc that is the way I interpret the above post of rules and regs.

Catchem up!!!!
BW

notreely

Roc N Rol wrote: »

Here is what I found in my search

"Although large Vessels must display certain shapes by day whenever they are at anchor or aground, this does not apply to small boats in most situations."
"Vessels under 7 meters (23') need to show no shape if they are NOT at anchor in or near a narrow channel or fairway, anchorage, or where vessels normally navigate. Vessels under 20 meters (65.7') need not display a shape when at anchor in a special anchorage area; and vessels less than 12 meters (39.4') are not required to shapes when aground or operating with limited manueverability, except for diving operations."
"In all other situations, vessels at anchor must hoist a ball-shaped daymark forward where it can be seen. This is the signal displayed by the large vessels whenever at anchor. Similarly, a vessel aground must display three ball shapes in a vertical line."

It basically says the same thing that your copy said. But the way I interoperate it is if you are under 23' you need to display nothing unless you are at anchor in or near a narrow channel or fairway, anchorage, or where vessels normally navigate. I don't think they mean the whole ocean or anywhere a boat can go as normally navigateable water, if that were the case it would not take any explaining, you would have to display the markers anytime and anywhere you dropped the anchor. If that were the case there would be no need to have any exceptions to the rule. The anchored boat was not in the wrong and the drifting boat was at fault. Your interpretation of normally navigated water is incorrect, in this case because they are talking about channels and heavy traffic areas of navigation, not a spot in the ocean where boaters intermingle while fishing.

I see your point and I understand this is an interpretation issue. I would say that where BW was anchored is a heavily navigated area. In That area it is commen that freighters, tugs and barges,dive vessels both commercial and recreational as well as numerous charter, Headboat and recreational fisherman and in certain times of the year commercial fisherman and all other kinds of boat traffic.The Grady white navigated near BW six times. I did not mean imply that all open water is subject to the exemption. I would interpret that it would apply to a cove off an island, a shallow flat, along side a sea wall, next to a sandbar or mangrove island etc. I'm glad that BW had no major damage and his trip ended up a success. If it was a serious incident it would ultimately be up to a LEO to interpret. So what I'm really saying is if your under 23' put up an anchor ball and use an anchor light to remove the need for anyone to interpret your status. If your over 23' their is nothing to interpret. Hopefully people gained some insight to this issue through this conversation. Remember if fishing sucks you can always have pizza and beer for dinner, but it really sucks if someone gets hurt out there.

FWCSnook

The Grady was in the wrong, plain and simple. A 30' certainly has a GPS, instantly showing set and drift. Take a note of boats nearby and their relative bearing. If it does not change, move. My rule on the drift boat is if I can see straight down the boat, I have to move. If I can clearly see either the port or starboard gunwale, I will drift past harmlessly. And if you can't see a white anchor line during the day, get your vision checked. And don't be a dickhead out there and crowd other boats. Find your own **** fish.

wiggly worm

notreely wrote: »

I see your point and I understand this is an interpretation issue. I would say that where BW was anchored is a heavily navigated area. In That area it is commen that freighters, tugs and barges,dive vessels both commercial and recreational as well as numerous charter, Headboat and recreational fisherman and in certain times of the year commercial fisherman and all other kinds of boat traffic.The Grady white navigated near BW six times. I did not mean imply that all open water is subject to the exemption. I would interpret that it would apply to a cove off an island, a shallow flat, along side a sea wall, next to a sandbar or mangrove island etc. I'm glad that BW had no major damage and his trip ended up a success. If it was a serious incident it would ultimately be up to a LEO to interpret. So what I'm really saying is if your under 23' put up an anchor ball and use an anchor light to remove the need for anyone to interpret your status. If your over 23' their is nothing to interpret. Hopefully people gained some insight to this issue through this conversation. Remember if fishing sucks you can always have pizza and beer for dinner, but it really sucks if someone gets hurt out there.

Just apologize for drifting into his boat and be done with it.

CaptJ

Last week I would have been run over by a tug with a long tow barge loaded with containers if I hadn't pulled anchor and run for my life! I have AIS enabled and know that he would have "seen me" had he been paying attention. When I hailed him he claimed to have been in the wheelhouse and didn't realize I was anchored. Said - quote - Sorry about that! Unfortunately professional captains can be as incompetent as amateurs. By the way look out for the Capt. Spence tug. If he is in your neighborhood the potential for damage is great.

B.Wilmot

Lol he even had a radar dome lol.

Catchem up!!!!!
BW

crghss

And what if I have a sea anchor out? I'll be drifting at a much slower speed then other boats. Then what? Another boat can just drift right into me?

When on a protect reef you will see floats/balls to tie off on. Only been here 4 yrs but I've yet to see these off of palm beach. Sure they're somewhere but I haven't seen them.


15 yrs boating off of Broward diving, fishing and sunning. Some boats are anchored, some are drifting and some are using sea anchors, others are cursing at all different speeds. Never have I heard of two boats coming together so close as to have a rod and a outrigger hit. That is just stupid on the drifting boats part. Who watches their boat drift into anything. Put it in gear and bump it east or west DUH!

Dirty Oar

crghss, don't be ridiculous.

It's very irresponsible to anchor in a navigable channel... in this case the ocean.

Be safe out there.

maddoxrj

The Grady was totally and completely at fault. He was drifting in a moving boat and not paying attention to where his boat was headed. You would have to be an idiot not to see the other boat was anchored up and sitting still in the water. The Grady should have taken special care to look for an anchor line especially when he noticed the other boat was dead in the water.

notreely

wiggly worm wrote: »

Just apologize for drifting into his boat and be done with it.[/QUOTE

I appreciate someone with a witty sense of humor!

notreely

CaptJ wrote: »

Last week I would have been run over by a tug with a long tow barge loaded with containers if I hadn't pulled anchor and run for my life! I have AIS enabled and know that he would have "seen me" had he been paying attention. When I hailed him he claimed to have been in the wheelhouse and didn't realize I was anchored. Said - quote - Sorry about that! Unfortunately professional captains can be as incompetent as amateurs. By the way look out for the Capt. Spence tug. If he is in your neighborhood the potential for damage is great.

Did you have anchor shape up if not your making my point for me. What if it was at night and you had your running lights on while you were anchored would you fault another operator for concluding you we're underway and not anchored.

B.Wilmot

But it was not at night !!!!! Your whole point is on "IF". Every boater I know uses their anchor light at night when anchored. This incident took place during the day!!!!! "IF" I had a millon dollars I would have a boat that required all of the anchoring rules. But since " IF" don't fill my bank acct. my less than 7m boat is except from the day.

Catchem up!!!!
BW

notreely

crghss wrote: »

And what if I have a sea anchor out? I'll be drifting at a much slower speed then other boats. Then what? Another boat can just drift right into me?

When on a protect reef you will see floats/balls to tie off on. Only been here 4 yrs but I've yet to see these off of palm beach. Sure they're somewhere but I haven't seen them.


15 yrs boating off of Broward diving, fishing and sunning. Some boats are anchored, some are drifting and some are using sea anchors, others are cursing at all different speeds. Never have I heard of two boats coming together so close as to have a rod and a outrigger hit. That is just stupid on the drifting boats part. Who watches their boat drift into anything. Put it in gear and bump it east or west DUH!

A sea anchor does not restrict your ability to maneuver. You would be underway just as the other boat would be. BTW depending on the wind direction a sea anchor can make you drift faster.

turftech

wiggly worm wrote: »

Just apologize for drifting into his boat and be done with it.

:signs

fishslayer12

QUOTE=wiggly worm;1496327]Just apologize for drifting into his boat and be done with it.
haha..exactly...
don't argue with stupid...they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...You are in Jax, but have extensive knowledge of the traffic outside jupiter inlet..hahaha...just apologize already!!
notreely, you are lucky you got your TLD back...hahaha
Anchorball...hahahaha

notreely

fishslayer12 wrote: »

QUOTE=wiggly worm;1496327]Just apologize for drifting into his boat and be done with it.
haha..exactly...
don't argue with stupid...they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience...You are in Jax, but have extensive knowledge of the traffic outside jupiter inlet..hahaha...just apologize already!!
notreely, you are lucky you got your TLD back...hahaha
Anchorball...hahahaha

Actually I'm in savannah right now, I live in Jacksonville and will be traveling through Jupiter waters sometime next week. I don't own any tld's,if I did I would waste anytime trying to retrieve one of those POS!

crghss

The ocean is a navigable channel? Really? The ocean is a channel?

By your logic then no one is allowed to anchor in the ocean? Where exactly may we anchor??????

Dirty Oar, if you have a boat sell it.

depending on the wind direction a sea anchor can make you drift faster

Say what? This would be a nice trick......can't wait till you explain this one.......