11-18-2012, 10:26 AM
First: unions are obsolete. unions were needed a hundred years or so ago when employees of US Steel got one day off a year. Unions came to the rescue of the people and probably actually raised productivity. Now unions reduce productivity, just try pay more to better works and less to the slackers when they have the same job.
Second: The real problem with most of the large and established companies we have been seeing like Hostess and General Motors was not the unions. The real problem is debt. Just like the real problem with the average American is debt. Most companies and people that are in the worst shape have let debt sneak up on them. In tough years they borrow to get by instead of cutting back, in better years in stead of paying off what was borrowed they make minimum payments. Repeat this process for a couple of decades and things are suddenly out of hand. And then all I hear is look what the unions did to us, or look what the President did to us. What I never hear is look WTF I did to myself. I never hear anyone say if I didn't have credit card payments and car payments and instead I wish I would have lived on less then I made and saved more for tough times I would be better off now. And I never heard a CEO say we acquired too much debt because we wanted to show profits and get bonuses instead of paying of the debt and running a stronger company. General Motors had over $100,000,000,000.00 in debt. If GM had properly managed their debt they would have been one of the strongest companies in America. I wonder how much they had to charge per car to maintain one hundred billion dollars in debt. Or how much per Twinkie to pay their debt.
When I have a problem I look at what I have done and what I can do. Many things are my fault many are not. Some things I can correct some I cannot. But if I only look at others and I only blame others I wont be able to make anything any better. Then I would have to wait for someone else to make things better for me and I'm not a good waiter.
11-18-2012, 10:52 AM
Just like FedEx. A nonunion company that runs their contracted employees into the ground.
Originally Posted by Oldfox1939
11-18-2012, 11:45 AM
"Originally Posted by Oldfox1939 View Post
Heard on the news, that a bread truck and a twinkies truck covered the same routes. Bread truck could not haul twinkies and a twinkies truck could not carry bread.
So two trucks, two drivers to deliver what one truck and one driver could deliver....not like they would be overloaded by weight.
All due to union rules........is this stupid or what ?"
Maybe but I doubt it would have mattered anyway. I think the 2 products come from different bakeries so it's probably more efficient to have a truck start at the bakery and load and go to the stores instead of going to 2 bakeries and loading twice before going to the stores. And I also think in many cases each truck manages the product on the store shelf including setting up special displays so it may still make more scene to manage a few brands well rather then trying to manage every brand that the parent company happens to own.
The real shame in this is it was the baker's union representing 500 employee's that went on strike and cost the jobs of 18500 people.
11-18-2012, 07:32 PM
Twinkies are selling on Ebay.
Just saw a listing that sold for $28.00.
Iconic American dessert brand HOSTESS is out of business!!!
This box came from one of the last production runs completed by Hostess.
Limited Supply - Get them while they last!!!
BRAND NEW - **FRESH** - One box of 10 individually wrapped Twinkies (Delicious golden sponge cake with creamy filling)