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    Those any one know the date of when we will be able to keep some. THANKS

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    maybe around Sept. but no date is set yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by SATARA View Post
    Those any one know the date of when we will be able to keep some. THANKS
    When/If this happens, it is going to be short lived. With it proposed as a 3 day weekend, or 2 of these, yet
    only a 9,000 fish total recreational take, one can expect the NMFS to proclaim the limit reached, or more
    likely exceeded very quickly. This fish limit is for the Keys to the Carolina's. If they declare the limit
    exceeded, which is likely, it will impact next years allowance.

    Remember that they do not actually know How many people participate in this fishery recreationally, nor have
    any idea how many fish would be actually caught, since they use an extrapulated model based on the estimated
    number of participants (which they do not know)!

    Bottom line.....If it opens, plan to be out there the first chance....because there may not be another until
    the current fishery management is replaced in DC, and reliable data is mandated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACME Ventures Fishing View Post
    Remember that they do not actually know How many people participate in this fishery recreationally, nor have
    any idea how many fish would be actually caught, since they use an extrapulated model based on the estimated
    number of participants (which they do not know)!

    Bottom line.....If it opens, plan to be out there the first chance....because there may not be another until
    the current fishery management is replaced in DC, and reliable data is mandated.

    They don't even know how many fish are out there let a lone how many people are fishing.

    And don't hold your breath for the next idiot in DC he wont care any more then the current idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optimistic Angler View Post
    They don't even know how many fish are out there let a lone how many people are fishing.

    And don't hold your breath for the next idiot in DC he wont care any more then the current idiot.
    The lack or reliable biomass numbers, including the fish found around artifical structure has led to this mess.
    Its nothing to do with the numbers of fish, since yearly growth is acknowledged for each of the last 10 years plus.
    Its the artifically low ACL's that are set when uncertainty in the data exist. The current administration with Lubchenco
    at the helm has seen an accelerated push for closures, overly restrictive regulations, "New and Novel" FMP's and
    other extreme agenda's. Its true many of these things have been around for years, but in the last 3 1/2 years,
    the number of Catch Share programs have doubled. Its this push that needs stopped.

    While there is no certainty that new oversight will be better, with the direction its heading now, it would be hard
    to be worse. The biomass used to determine ACL's, including the release mortality that is being used to allow the
    9k recreational allowed fish, is all guesswork. The AP's and even councils are given the allowable options to work
    with and charged with making something from basically nothing. Just like the "Best Avaliable Science" does not
    have to be current, reliable or accurate, so to the numbers we see being used in this "Mini-weekend" proposal
    have little basis on reality, and more on policy and politics.

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    They should just do tags then so they get the correct count. Only issue tags to the lucky few like with gators. And by doing tags, none of this certain day nonsense. Just give out the tags and let us go when possible.

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    True Lubchenco has an agenda and needs to be sent to the unemployment line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optimistic Angler View Post
    Lubchenco has an agenda and needs to be sent to the unemployment line.
    ^this^

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    Come to this meeting and let them know your thoughts!

    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/s...ottom-closures

    From link above

    August 8, 2012 Time TBA
    Doubletree Hotel
    2080 North Atlantic Ave.
    Cocoa Beach, FL 32931

    • Marine Protected Area (MPA) (AKA BOTTOM CLOSURES ) Workshops:
    The Council is seeking public input on the occurrence of speckled hind and warsaw grouper, including possible spawning areas and habitat for these two species. MPAs (BOTTOM CLOSURES)are being considered to help reduce bycatch mortality. (Note: Management actions concerning speckled hind and warsaw grouper were moved from CE-BA 3 to CE-BA 4 during the Council’s June 2012 meeting.)


    • King Mackerel, Spanish Mackerel and Cobia:
    Council staff will be on hand to informally discuss management measures being proposed for both South Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico groups of king and Spanish mackerel as well as cobia. Issues include: sale of bag limit king and Spanish mackerel; tournament sale of king mackerel; sale of cobia; elimination of latent effort in mackerel fisheries; changes to Spanish mackerel gill net fishery; state and/or regional quotas for Atlantic group king mackerel, Spanish mackerel, and cobia; and other measures
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