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    Anyone have any reviews for a sage vps 890-4 piece

    Anyone use this rod.Just got it used in almost new condition,just wanted to see what yall think.Also came with galvan torque t8.Thanks Rob

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    Thinking you meant VXP, if so here's a review from Deneki Outdoors website...http://www.deneki.com/2011/06/sage-vxp-review/
    Galvan Torque is an excellent reel. Tight lines
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    Post on VT-2 son of the VPS:
    by Mark Waldin Custom Fly Rods - today I am posting user comments from various forums talking about the Sage VT-2. Personally I really like the VT-2 for several reasons. First it is a Sage which means it has the best finish and construction of any rods I have built. Second, it is Sage’s value rod blank so it can be had for a lower price but being a Sage, even their value rod blank is exceptional. It has a sweet action and is more of a mid taper rod with a good feel. Enjoy the reviews below.

    The sage VT-2 is an excellent rod for multi-species fishing. I know first-hand how it compares with the Orvis T-3, another excellent rod.

    Kevin Mihailoff www.snookin.com is an endorsed Sage Guide and carried a Sage VT-2 9-weight aboard for me to use.

    In the two days I fished with the VT-2 I enjoyed its easy loading and Tip-sensitive accuracy. More often than I expected, I had compliments from my boat mate and surprisingly from Kevin himself ( Kevin rarely compliments anyone’s casting). There is hardly ever a perfect cast. Maybe a perfect retrieve….but rare.

    So I can say that the VT-2 has everything the T-3 has and maybe it’s a tad smoother. My T-3 is a tip-flex 10 and I can punch it into a wind and deliver the fly with my thumb….neither rod is for wimpy deliveries and casual casters…this VT-2 cut the mustard! One back cast at 50+ feet. –posted www.fliesandfins.com

    I have been curious about these (Sage VT2) new rods, so I bought the 905/4 blank assembled one. I fished it with a RIO classic WF 5 line and was very impressed. The rod is very light and has a wonderful medium fast action. The rod tracks very well and with two false casts shoots 70 ft. of line with ease. The blank is a thinner wall and larger diameter than the SLT or XP series. It also cast great at 20 ft. 40ft. and out to 70 ft. I could feel the rod digging into the butt section when trying for 70 ft. but had plenty of power to punch out the line. The blank color is a blue green that is one of the best looking I have ever seen. As with all Sage blanks the ferrules fit perfect and the surface finish was flawless. The blank was also very straight. Without a doubt Sage produces the most consistent blanks as far as fit and finish go, of all the rod makers. A very user friendly rod, that will make a wonderful trout and bass rod. This rod feels so smooth and fluid when casting that throws very tight loops with ease. In my opinion a much improved action over the VPS rods /blanks that were the old RPL series. –posted www.flyfish.com

    my buddy has one (Sage VT2) and really likes his. 9ft 5wt. I’ve cast it and it is a cannon. good for the wind. i would not describe it as a delicate rod if that means anything. my 5wt Winston Biix feels like a 4wt. The VT2 feels like a 6wt. It would be a great nymph rod and good all around rod for the money. –posted www.washingtonflyfishing.com

    I am very happy with my VT2(9ft, 5 wt.). It is a very fast action rod which is great for my casting style. I have the FLI 8 wt but like the VT2 a little better. –posted www.washingtonflyfishing.com

    Have fished and still fish the VT2s along with the XI2s and TCRs. We field tested the VT2 from 7 to 10 wt at Harkers Island and use the 7 and 10 in our charters. The final product survived Cape Lookout ablies with no worries and the 10 wt slung T-14 all winter. The 7 was the most popular rod in our spring fly school. Good rods and they are made in America. –www.stripersonline.com

    I have a Sage VT2 9′6″ 6 wt. and a 9′ 10 wt. G. Loomis Cross Current and love them both. However, I don’t think that there are really very many “bad” rods around. You might also want to consider the Sage Z-Axis. Your best bet is to go and cast each of the rods, to find out which you like best. –posted www.fliesandfins.com

    So back to the unsung VT2. The 590-4 is a great all-rounder that will fish everywhere you want to take it and I’ve always had a hankering to throw the 9’6”5wt too, just to see… The 8’6” 3wt is a great low water rod for the tailwaters, and we have had a lot of fun with the 8-weight. … The 379-4 ( 7’9” 3 weight) is a gem, crisp delicate yet throws a Sage loop, that we really like. The 691-4 we mentioned earlier is another exceptional rod for tossing streamers on the White River tailwaters, for chasing hybrids, white bass and walleye in the Ozark rivers and lakes, and even for sea trout, and smaller redfish in the salt. –posted moutainriverjournal.wordpress.com

    The folks recommending the TFO rods are making a good suggestion as well, but having fished with both the TFO rods and the VT-2 in 8 weights, I found the VT-2 suited my cast better, I was more precise at longer distances, and still able to make short casts and have the rod loaded suitably. –posted www.talkflyfishing.com

    Right now I am using my 5wt 9ft sage VT2, with okuma helios reel with orvis wonder line. I got the Sage 5wt from Lake City,CO. This rod is great, I love how it cast. –posted www.paflyfish.com

    Max, I am quite satisfied with the Sage VT2 series. I own a 4 wt and it is quite impressive given that it is a “value” rod. –posted www.flyfishingforum.com

    Another rod series that is hardly ever talked about is the VT2. This is the ’son’ of the VPS which again is a RPL with cheaper clothes. The RPL as you may or may not know is one of the greates successes of any flyrod. They have “modernised” the action a bit and given it a new look, but the legendary “Sage feel” is still there. I reckon it must surely be one of the best value for money rods out there at the moment. –posted www.flyshop.co.nz

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    Two important threads run through the Sage story. The first is the importance of fly rod design, the second is the importance of controlled distribution.

    As for fly rod design, years of fly fishing experience had taught Don that fly rods should never run out of "power." While there might be fishing scenarios where the full power and flex of a fly rod were not utilized by the angler, the best designs were those that always held power in reserve. Hence the name Reserve Power was given to the new style of fly rod Don developed for extra long casts or for windy conditions. The name was abbreviated to the RP. This was the first major series of fly rods that Sage released in 1982 and they quickly became the most talked about fly rods in the world.

    The design of Sage was set. Next came the distribution. When Sage began, Bruce Kirschner (formerly of K2 Skis) joined Don as a partner in the company, bringing with him years of specialty retailing experience. Together they set out to create a dealer network of specialty stores where anglers could always receive solid, professional help, advice and assistance. The philosophy was simple: specialty products for specialty retailers.

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    In 1986 Sage brought to the marketplace the first series of fly rods built specifically for the special challenges of the saltwater angler-the legendary RPLX fly rods. Built for line weights 8-12, these rods almost instantly became the standard of modern saltwater angling experience. Finally, working with some of the finest two-handed fly casters in the world, Sage introduced a complete line of spey and European-style double handed rods, a series that rounded out Sage's family of fly rods. Now, anglers around the world could find a performance fly rod for whatever their needs might be.

    Throughout the 80s, Sage's business grew steadily as specialty dealers everywhere started paying heed to these performance enhancements. The brand was continually sold throughout the world with distribution in Japan, Canada, France, England, Italy, Germany and Scandinavia. Everywhere the pattern was duplicated-specialty products for specialty dealers, and by the end of the decade, Sage had secured its position as the number one fly rod company in the world.

    During the early 90s, Sage continued its steady growth with the RPL, RPLX, LL, TH and DS Series. The US dealer network had grown to about 450 dealers and Sage was also being sold in about 30 export countries.

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    In 1994, the movie happened to coincide with Sage's first new fly rod to be introduced in nearly a decade. It was called the SP. At the confluence of these two events was the largest growth spurt ever witnessed by the fly fishing industry. Sales and all categories jumped as thousands of people flocked to the sport. While Sage's designs and rod families surged on ahead, none did so more dramatically than the new SP. Built from Graphite IV and using a new scrim material called Durascrim, the SPs broke all records for the new product introduction.

    By 1994, Don and Bruce had been building the company for the better part of 15 years. Don, at age 60 and four decades into the rod manufacturing business, decided it was time to take more of a backseat with the company. Accordingly, Sage was sold to the Joshua Green Corporation of Seattle. Bruce Kirschner agreed to stay on as President and Don became Vice President of research and development. Jerry Siem was then brought on board as the new resident rod designer.

    Today Sage continues to seek performance advantages through new materials and designs, marketing its products through a network of specialty dealers.

    In 1997, the new SPL Series was brought to market and won the coveted "Best of Show award" at the industry trade show in Denver. In the same Year, Sage's RPLX rods were redesigned as the RPLXi. Then in 1999, Sage introduced the lighter weight and narrower tapered fast action XP - again to worldwide acclaim. In 2000 Sage's 3000 Series Drag Reels, proprietary Performance Taper Fly Line and RPLXi 5-piece travel rods all made their way to market. In 2003, Sage proudly introduced the entirely new medium-fast action SLT series of rods. That same year, we also introduced the ultra high-performance TCR Series rods, featuring an ultra-fast action for skilled casters.

    In 2004, Sage again revolutionized the industry with the introduction of the Xi2 Series saltwater rods. Created by the "Sage Dream Team" members Steve Greist, Jerry Siem, Don Green and Kerry Winkler, the Xi2 was the first rod built featuring our new Generation 5 (G5) Technology. This technology was developed by the team over a three-year period in an effort to create a completely new type of rod from scratch, with the idea that every inch of a fly rod has different performance needs based on the different task that it must accomplish. A brand-new way of constructing rod blanks, G5 Technology was designed to increase the amount of "line feel" by reducing the swing weight of the rod.

    In 2005, after an astounding response to G5 technology the previous year, we introduced three new rod series that utilized the new technology. The near-weightless TXL Series rods were an instant hit with the growing light-line crowd and were popularized by their ability to maximize the experience of dry fly anglers around the world.

    This same year Sage introduced two entry-level rods, the Fli and Launch Series. The Launch rods offered a smooth, progressive power curve and extremely high strength-to-weight ratio, all while offering incredible sensitivity so you could feel the line load for improved casting. The FLi Series rods featured a fast-action taper with maximum power transfer and efficiency-resulting in more intuitive casting when it counted. Between the two mentioned entry-level rods, we were focusing a significant amount of energy on novice anglers, and really giving them more options than ever before in terms of rod choice.

    All the while, Sage was holding steady with a very solid offering of reels to compliment the extensive line of rods available. In 2005 we introduced the 3600D Drag reel, which featured the same buttery-smooth performance that had come to be expected from our 3000D Series reels. These were known for their abundance of stopping power in landing big game fish and the capacity to hold even the largest of the newly popular RIO Skagit Spey lines. The 2500 Series large-arbor reels offered a lighter-weight reel with a smooth, reliable drag for maintenance-free operation in all conditions.

    The following year welcomed the medium-fast action VT2 series that remained at the mid-price-point in the Sage line and offered an upgraded replacement for the long running VPS. Although this was a small product introduction year, the energy at Sage during this time was mounting in preparation for the largest and most exciting product introduction in Sage history which would take place in the fall of 2007. When the time finally arrived, the new Z-Axis Series was a hit across the board. The ultimate in fast-action rods, it became an instant favorite for anglers of all types, known for its fast action coupled with a tremendous amount of line feel. A broad family in terms of configurations, the Z-Axis Series included 2 and 4 piece models as well as 7 spey rods and 4 switch rods (which were the first of their kind in the Sage line).

    When the 2008 product season finally arrived we were still riding the high of the Z-Axis and were proud to be able to bring a couple of new niche series of rods into the fly fishing market. The BASS Series, after several years of development, was finally released to the public and the medium action cousin to the Z-Axis, the ZXL, was released in weights 3-6. With the extensive Z-Axis Series covering a huge amount of product territory we were able to dedicate more energy and effort to the growing demands of niche fisheries. These rods, despite their focused design and marketing, proved to exceed most peoples expectations and suddenly BASS rods were showing up on magazine covers next to Snook, Baby Tarpon and Pike; not exactly their initial intention, but who was going to complain?

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    On the rod front, the new ultra-fast action TCX was designed to answer the call of anglers seeking cutting-edge technology and the finest components. Like their predecessor, the TCR, these rods are not designed for all anglers but unlike the TCR, they are designed to fit a wider range of casting styles and preferences. Within the Sage line these new kryptonite green rods, while still considered a niche series of rods, are just another option for the discerning angler looking for the latest and greatest tool for their fly fishing arsenal.

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    The VPS is, if memory serves, one of Sage's older models (although i guess that's a relative term). I think it's essentially the old RPL blank with less expensive fittings. Not nearly as fast a rod as what they've been making these last few years. Lots of people really loved the RPL and its successor the RPL+. I think that then became the RPLi, which became the Xi, then the Xi2, etc. Someone correct me if i'm wrong about all that. It's certainly a decent rod. The real question is how well do you cast it? Does it fit your style, and does it work for you? That's what matters.

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    Kevin - You are correct the VPS was based on the RPL blank, etc...etc...
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    well its definitly a vps.
    http://www.mnflyangler.com/rods/sage...d_VPS_890.html
    just wanted to know if its a decent rod.i guess its spawn of the rpl.ill be using it for reds and trout. it looks like a medium fast blank.Its my first serious rod since having fished with walmart specials.im sure it will be fine.if anything the medium fast will help with all the newbie mistakes

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    The only problem with the early Sages in salt water, was their choice of stripping guides. My roommate, who was also a guide, fished with the Sage people (probably 1986) and they always left him their fly rods when they were done fishing with them in the Keys. Soon the vertical blind track over our sliding glass door was filled with suspended Sages, where the rings had fallen out of the stripping guides, rendering the rods useless. The brand name of these guides escapes me but they were actually the very first company (before Fuji, by about a year) to offer aluminum oxide guides.

    A year later, I flew to San Francisco and went to Ed Rice's Sportsman's Expo, where both Sage and Loomis were well represented and I had the opportunity to play with both. The Sage was a noticeably better casting tool, but remembering what I had seen, I decided on Loomis, simply because they were using the Fuji stripping guides, instead of this other brand. Failures of my tackle in my boat were never an option and I tried to prevent that to the best of my ability.

    Eventually, Sage switched over to Fuji (took longer than I would have thought, but....) and since then, even though I stayed with Loomis until their sale to Shimano, I have never had a bad word to say about Sage. I think the difference between the two companies is purely personal, among knowledgeable and experienced fly fishermen.

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    I don't think fly rod reviews mean much unless you personally know the reviewer, have fished with him and know how he casts and fights fish.

    Rod and line choices are so intensely personal, the only way to get a rod you know you will like is to "try before you buy". Further, you should bring the line you want the rod for, and try that specific line on the rod.

    Rods by the same manufacturer and within the same series but in a different weight can be totally different. I once bought a 9 wt Sage RPLX based on the fact that I liked the 12wt RPLX without trying it first. That was the first and last rod I bought without trying it first.

    Just saying.....

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    rookie, that's an excellent rod. Take good care of it and you should get many years of service out of it.

    PR - as far as I know Sage used Hopkins Holloway guides since forever. I've owned lot's of Sage rods since they first showed up at Worldwide in Islamorada in the early 80's. I never had a lick of trouble with the stripping guides though. Here's a few pic's of one of mine I just sold a few months ago. Fished pretty hard since 82 when I bought it and well cared for. Still in great shape. My buddy has the same model in 12wt he bought around the same time and he still uses it every year. Maybe you're just too hard on stuff.



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    Quote Originally Posted by deerfly View Post
    PR - as far as I know Sage used Hopkins Holloway guides since forever. I've owned lot's of Sage rods since they first showed up at Worldwide in Islamorada in the early 80's. I never had a lick of trouble with the stripping guides though. Here's a few pic's of one of mine I just sold a few months ago. Fished pretty hard since 82 when I bought it and well cared for. Still in great shape. My buddy has the same model in 12wt he bought around the same time and he still uses it every year. Maybe you're just too hard on stuff.
    Deerfly, that's good to know and those at least look like the guides that I was referring to......I am only going on what I saw with my own eyes......oh, and it wasn't me who had the problem but rather my roommate. (I have never owned a Sage rod.) Those were HIS rods over the vertical blinds!! .......and to be honest, I have no idea how he or his clients treated the rods. But back in those days, a guide's tarpon sticks took a much worse beating than today. 99.9% of his clients had to use his rods, since very few fishermen owned fly rods capable of subdueing such a fish. No one wanted to spend the money for a 12 wt. outfit that they would use 1 week out of the year. But hey....that was then.

    Clampman, IMO, that was an excellent post and said a lot in a little space. I especially liked:

    "Rods by the same manufacturer and within the same series but in a different weight can be totally different.".......because it is so true and I bet a lot of others don't realize it.
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