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    Have you ever noticed.....

    That seldom (on occasion someone does, but not as a rule)

    That there are more post by the left about the right and the right about the left....

    Why is it, that the cheerleaders from each side can't find positive stuff from their side and post about the side they believe it.

    Momma always said..."if ya can't say somethin nice....best keep your pie hole shut."

    It seems most here are subscribes to email alerts form the www.bash-the-other-side.org

    It is really quite sad...

    No one post anything that supports their view, provides insight or backs up their argument.

    It is just bomb after bomb lobbed hopelessly into the cyber-space, hoping they can score some points.

    I guess I wonder...
    Who is keeping score...
    How do we determine the winner
    What's the prize....

    As my dad always said (usually regarding arguing with a woman)..."Do you want to be right...or do you want to be happy...."

    I guess most here are too focused on being right (or appearing so) to really look at the problems we face...and come up with real solutions to tackle them.

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    It's a known fact that negative campaigning works better than positive campaigning, but I don't know anyone who likes negative campaigning. Everyone I know says they hate it. So who is responding to the negative ads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBobBryant View Post
    That seldom (on occasion someone does, but not as a rule)

    That there are more post by the left about the right and the right about the left....

    Why is it, that the cheerleaders from each side can't find positive stuff from their side and post about the side they believe it.

    Momma always said..."if ya can't say somethin nice....best keep your pie hole shut."

    It seems most here are subscribes to email alerts form the www.bash-the-other-side.org

    It is really quite sad...

    No one post anything that supports their view, provides insight or backs up their argument.

    It is just bomb after bomb lobbed hopelessly into the cyber-space, hoping they can score some points.

    I guess I wonder...
    Who is keeping score...
    How do we determine the winner
    What's the prize....

    As my dad always said (usually regarding arguing with a woman)..."Do you want to be right...or do you want to be happy...."

    I guess most here are too focused on being right (or appearing so) to really look at the problems we face...and come up with real solutions to tackle them.
    This is correct. It would be nice if our politicians would set a better example. Things have gotten so polarized in Washington that it's out of control. I believe the right-wing set the stage early when they took the position that their only priority was to ensure that Obama is a one term president. Is this productive? This, in my opinion, explains why so many policies that were previously supported by Republicans (actually Republican ideas) then pushed by Obama were all the sudden turned into left-wing socialist ideas. Are democrats suppose to just sit back and take it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunby31 View Post
    This is correct. It would be nice if our politicians would set a better example. Things have gotten so polarized in Washington that it's out of control. I believe the right-wing set the stage early when they took the position that their only priority was to ensure that Obama is a one term president. Is this productive? This, in my opinion, explains why so many policies that were previously supported by Republicans (actually Republican ideas) then pushed by Obama were all the sudden turned into left-wing socialist ideas. Are democrats suppose to just sit back and take it?
    I was thinking more of our forum brothers....
    I know we get heated from time to time....but really surfing the net just to find dirt on the other side is stupid....

    My personal belief.. is that Obama is a terrible leader and yes he should be a one termer....would I make that my life's work...no, but for politicians it is.

    What would be productive is for our legislative branch to get to business. The senate needs to take up the Ryan budget, make the necessary changes and work the process. While congress takes shortcuts by just dismissing stuff out of hand without negotiation and following the rules...it is us who gets short changed.

    The house has passed a budget....now the senate needs to pass it or change it and the act of reconciliation needs to take its course.

    My problem with the last half of you post, is that Obama had the opportunity to get much of his stuff passed, he did not... for his first 2 years he had total control of the government and we got little in the way of meaningful legislation regarding our financial mess.

    In 2010 the people sent a message...and returned the house to the republicans...and having trampled on so many of them with his divisive talk and rhetoric, Obama has made the bed he must now lie down in.
    My fear is he will be re-elected but will have to deal with a totally republican congress.....Clinton had it in him to make the most out of a bad situation.....I do not believe Obama has the same quality and will basically continue our gridlock until 2016.
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    The only ones I see positive posting topics on people they support are the Ron Paul supporters, and that has slowed down since the Florida elections.
    It will soon be "why your candidate sucks" and "why my candidate doesnt suck all that bad" threads...

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    It appears, Capt B, what you are accusing most of doing is practicing what I call ad hominem discourse:

    1. (of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic.

    2. Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than
    the policy or position they maintain.

    If so, I wholeheartedly agree.

    Some of us however constantly search for and research arguments and evidence challenging/justifying our thinking -- to convey to others.

    Obviously, some simply cannot handle this, as said before on this forum and others, and respond: Like little kids stomping their feet with hands over their ears shouting to adults, ďI canít hear you! I canít hear you!Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptBobBryant View Post
    I was thinking more of our forum brothers....
    I know we get heated from time to time....but really surfing the net just to find dirt on the other side is stupid....

    My personal belief.. is that Obama is a terrible leader and yes he should be a one termer....would I make that my life's work...no, but for politicians it is.

    What would be productive is for our legislative branch to get to business. The senate needs to take up the Ryan budget, make the necessary changes and work the process. While congress takes shortcuts by just dismissing stuff out of hand without negotiation and following the rules...it is us who gets short changed.

    The house has passed a budget....now the senate needs to pass it or change it and the act of reconciliation needs to take its course.

    My problem with the last half of you post, is that Obama had the opportunity to get much of his stuff passed, he did not... for his first 2 years he had total control of the government and we got little in the way of meaningful legislation regarding our financial mess.

    In 2010 the people sent a message...and returned the house to the republicans...and having trampled on so many of them with his divisive talk and rhetoric, Obama has made the bed he must now lie down in.
    My fear is he will be re-elected but will have to deal with a totally republican congress.....Clinton had it in him to make the most out of a bad situation.....I do not believe Obama has the same quality and will basically continue our gridlock until 2016.
    The tone that has been set in washington and the fringe is setting the tone among us. Based on his record, I totally disagree with you that Obama is a terrible leader and should be a one-termer. Fine, the senate should take up the Ryan bill, but you know damn well it is dead on arrival as long as more burden is placed on the middle class including the gutting of medicare. It's so easy to throw out lower tax rates but so hard to detail how they will be paid for. As for Obama not getting many things passed? Duh, I wonder why? As for 2010? Democrats stayed home... now that they see what is in store for the country when republicans gain power, they will turn out in droves come November... especially those women who are being abused by the right-wing these days.

    I hear what you are saying Capt B... but the differences between the right-wing agenda across the board, and the middle of the road democrats is HUGE... almost irreconciliable. The right-wing needs to get back to the center.

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    To be clear, I will have serious discourse anytime. But I come on here read posts, and jab people like I would jab my buddies. I hate noone, and fish with people just like most of the guys I go back and forth with here. We all want the same thing, jus disagree on how to get it. I don't know any of you, but hang out with many like you. Politics is a big circle jerk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky7Team2 View Post
    To be clear, I will have serious discourse anytime. But I come on here read posts, and jab people like I would jab my buddies. I hate noone, and fish with people just like most of the guys I go back and forth with here. We all want the same thing, jus disagree on how to get it. I don't know any of you, but hang out with many like you. Politics is a big circle jerk...
    I will drink with you on that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunby31 View Post
    The tone that has been set in washington and the fringe is setting the tone among us. Based on his record, I totally disagree with you that Obama is a terrible leader and should be a one-termer. Fine, the senate should take up the Ryan bill, but you know damn well it is dead on arrival as long as more burden is placed on the middle class including the gutting of medicare. It's so easy to throw out lower tax rates but so hard to detail how they will be paid for. As for Obama not getting many things passed? Duh, I wonder why? As for 2010? Democrats stayed home... now that they see what is in store for the country when republicans gain power, they will turn out in droves come November... especially those women who are being abused by the right-wing these days.

    I hear what you are saying Capt B... but the differences between the right-wing agenda across the board, and the middle of the road democrats is HUGE... almost irreconciliable. The right-wing needs to get back to the center.
    You are assuming the republicans are right wing....and that is no more true that the democrats are all left wing..

    Truth is we are a center right country and we need to pay better attention to who we are pulling the lever for...sleep voting is a dangerous malady

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