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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkerboy View Post
    You are correct up to a point. It is being asserted by some that a Chinese solar energy firm, represented by Harry Reid's oldest son, plans to build a five billion dollar solar energy plant in Nevada. The "Golden Butte" area would be used to mitigate or set aside to offset the damage from the solar energy project. This would require the cattle removed from the area.
    I am correct period. I said no solar panels are going up there. Several of the members here who can't read said they were. I pointed out the fact they were using the property for offsite mitigation. It was chosen due to the ecosystem of the property. With the Tortoise protection and other factors, it makes a perfect offsite mitigation property. Since it will be used for that, it is assured that no solar, panels, oil wells, other cattle, or any other commercial venture would occur on the property.

    There was a list about a a mile long of the environmental impacts that brought this to a head since he stopped paying his grazing fees. This was one on the long list. The solar company may have been one of the entities suing to force the issue to a head.

    Here is a copy of that list

    Cattle Trespass Impacts

    Cliven Bundy has no legal authority to graze cattle on federal lands in the Gold Butte area, including Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The U.S. District Court of Nevada has permanently enjoined Cliven Bundy's trespass grazing, ordered him to remove his trespass cattle from public lands inside and outside the former Bunkerville Allotment (including from the Lake Mead NRA) before December 2013, and stated the U.S. is entitled to seize and impound any cattle that have not been removed by the judicially imposed off-date and that remain in trespass. A large number of the trespass cattle on the federal lands are feral cattle that can pose a threat to members of the public recreating or traveling over the federal lands. The trespass cattle have also caused damage to private property, as well as to the federal lands and natural resources.

    Examples of Recent Incidents of Private Property Damage Caused by Bundy's Trespass Cattle

    One feral cow was hit by an automobile within Lake Mead National Recreation Area. Cattle are frequently seen on public roads, including State Route 170 and pose a danger to vehicles and to members of the public traveling on public roads.
    Overton Wildlife Refuge (State of Nevada) employee attacked by a Bundy bull.
    Crop destroyed by Bundy cattle on private land.
    Mesquite Heritage Community Garden damaged by trespass cattle.
    Mesquite golf course damaged by trespass cattle.
    Examples of Restoration Funding and Viability Impacted

    A $400,000 matching grant to restore Southwest Willow Flycatcher habitat along the Virgin River from the Walton Family Foundation was withdrawn until the trespass cattle have been removed.
    A $160,000 Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act project to restore Southwestern Willow Flycatcher has been delayed until trespass cattle are removed.
    Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
    The Nevada State Department of Wildlife has built extensive fences to protect state and federal lands protected as the Overton Wildlife Refuge from the trespass cattle.
    Examples of Public Concerns

    Residents of the communities of Bunkerville and Mesquite have complained about the impact of cattle on city facilities.
    Within the last month, letters requesting action have also been received from several individuals, Friends of Nevada Wilderness, Friends of Gold Butte and Friends of Joshua Tree Forest.
    The Center for Biological Diversity has demanded action to resolve trespass in designated critical desert tortoise habitat in several letters.
    Western Watersheds has requested a verbal status update and later filed a Freedom of Information Act request.
    Examples of Natural and Cultural Resource Damage

    Cattle have crushed artifacts at the "Red Racer" and St. Thomas cultural sites.
    Damage to springs, including fecal contamination, trampling soils and vegetation and impacts to wildlife. Wildlife will avoid springs with large numbers of cattle.
    Damage to springs with sensitive amphibians, including the rare relict leopard frog.
    Multiple instances of vegetation damage to rare plants, including on monitoring plots after extensive wildfires within critical habitat for Desert Tortoise.
    Unauthorized reservoir constructed with bulldozer twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickory Dog View Post
    You were clearly comparing them to the brown shirts, thus you were referencing Nazis. Don't play the fool. Well, I guess it is a little late for that if you think that in anyway represents the facts in this case.
    So your admitting nothing I said was untrue, well I knew that. And further I would never presume to play the fool in audience of such a true master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadman View Post
    I am correct period. I said no solar panels are going up there. Several of the members here who can't read said they were. I pointed out the fact they were using the property for offsite mitigation. It was chosen due to the ecosystem of the property. With the Tortoise protection and other factors, it makes a perfect offsite mitigation property. Since it will be used for that, it is assured that no solar, panels, oil wells, other cattle, or any other commercial venture would occur on the property.

    There was a list about a a mile long of the environmental impacts that brought this to a head since he stopped paying his grazing fees. This was one on the long list. The solar company may have been one of the entities suing to force the issue to a head.

    Here is a copy of that list

    Cattle Trespass Impacts

    Cliven Bundy has no legal authority to graze cattle on federal lands in the Gold Butte area, including Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The U.S. District Court of Nevada has permanently enjoined Cliven Bundy's trespass grazing, ordered him to remove his trespass cattle from public lands inside and outside the former Bunkerville Allotment (including from the Lake Mead NRA) before December 2013, and stated the U.S. is entitled to seize and impound any cattle that have not been removed by the judicially imposed off-date and that remain in trespass. A large number of the trespass cattle on the federal lands are feral cattle that can pose a threat to members of the public recreating or traveling over the federal lands. The trespass cattle have also caused damage to private property, as well as to the federal lands and natural resources.

    Examples of Recent Incidents of Private Property Damage Caused by Bundy's Trespass Cattle

    One feral cow was hit by an automobile within Lake Mead National Recreation Area. Cattle are frequently seen on public roads, including State Route 170 and pose a danger to vehicles and to members of the public traveling on public roads.
    Overton Wildlife Refuge (State of Nevada) employee attacked by a Bundy bull.
    Crop destroyed by Bundy cattle on private land.
    Mesquite Heritage Community Garden damaged by trespass cattle.
    Mesquite golf course damaged by trespass cattle.
    Examples of Restoration Funding and Viability Impacted

    A $400,000 matching grant to restore Southwest Willow Flycatcher habitat along the Virgin River from the Walton Family Foundation was withdrawn until the trespass cattle have been removed.
    A $160,000 Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act project to restore Southwestern Willow Flycatcher has been delayed until trespass cattle are removed.
    Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle.
    The Nevada State Department of Wildlife has built extensive fences to protect state and federal lands protected as the Overton Wildlife Refuge from the trespass cattle.
    Examples of Public Concerns

    Residents of the communities of Bunkerville and Mesquite have complained about the impact of cattle on city facilities.
    Within the last month, letters requesting action have also been received from several individuals, Friends of Nevada Wilderness, Friends of Gold Butte and Friends of Joshua Tree Forest.
    The Center for Biological Diversity has demanded action to resolve trespass in designated critical desert tortoise habitat in several letters.
    Western Watersheds has requested a verbal status update and later filed a Freedom of Information Act request.
    Examples of Natural and Cultural Resource Damage

    Cattle have crushed artifacts at the "Red Racer" and St. Thomas cultural sites.
    Damage to springs, including fecal contamination, trampling soils and vegetation and impacts to wildlife. Wildlife will avoid springs with large numbers of cattle.
    Damage to springs with sensitive amphibians, including the rare relict leopard frog.
    Multiple instances of vegetation damage to rare plants, including on monitoring plots after extensive wildfires within critical habitat for Desert Tortoise.
    Unauthorized reservoir constructed with bulldozer twice.
    Clean up in isle three, you better run along and get the mop cadboy, I think you're going to need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadman View Post
    There is no solar panels going there. Nor any oil wells. Learn to read.
    Frustrating, isn't it?
    there’s a racial animus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reel Mayhem View Post
    Clean up in isle three, you better run along and get the mop cadboy, I think you're going to need it.
    What I expect from a person of your limited intelligence. Maybe one day you will learn to think on your own and they will let you leave the group home.

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    Stay blind and keep following if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reel Mayhem View Post
    Stay blind and keep following if you want.
    Another intelligent post!!

    (that was sarcasm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cadman View Post
    Another intelligent post!!

    (that was sarcasm)
    The child is way beyond his comprehension level this is all he can muster.

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ID:	128708Ok, here is the scoop.
    I was right there and saw it go down.

    This morning about 400 supporters showed up and along with the rancher confronted the Feds at gunpoint to take back the cows. They were met with about 400 armed Feds. US Marshall's, BLM, SWAT, NV state police by the droves.
    The ranchers on horseback confronted the marshals and demanded return of the cattle. Temperas remain cool as the ranchers and Marshall squared off guns pointed of each other many of the ranchers sitting astride their trusty horses.
    The standoff lasted about 10 minutes finally the BLM officers and federal agents stood down and lowered their guns and declaring that the owner of the cattle could retrieve them. As we sat on interstate 15 above it all looking down over the bridge the ranchers rode off for the cattle to retrieve them the BLM got back into the vehicles and exited the scene.
    I have pictures but need to figure out how to post them as I am on my son's iPad when he gets back from the pool I asked him how to do that so that you can all see what happened my wife also has pictures on her iPad mini
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    You going to talk, or fish?

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    Mighty soon after the reid / china story broke, don't you think ? Cadboy might want to grab a mop bucket too.

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