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    Quote Originally Posted by Bimini Twisted View Post
    I think most Americans don't think it's a good idea to get too deeply involved.

    The ones that do want us to get involved seem to only want it simply so when things go badly for America they get to criticize Obama.

    That is the truth.
    We do not need too look for reasons to criticize O'BUMMA!!
    For example, he flapped his alligator to Putin, put his foot in his mouth AGAIN! Putin laughed at him and all of us, took away the big discounts Russia was giving Ukraine for natural gas so O'BUMMA now ants to give Billions ($15 Billion?) to Ukraine to help them pay their energy bill!!! Putin is laughing his butt of at O'BUMMA and isn't even thanking us!!! Good job O'BUMMA!! Next time keep your stupid mouth closed!!

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    U.S. pledges 1B loan guarantees, the EU some how made the 15B, not the U.S.
    Stealing money from taxpayers and throwing it at the problem has long been the backbone of American foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bimini Twisted View Post
    I think most Americans don't think it's a good idea to get too deeply involved.

    The ones that do want us to get involved seem to only want it simply so when things go badly for America they get to criticize Obama.

    That is the truth.
    Then why would he draw lines in the sand? That is pompous and a bluff that you do not want called, unless you are going to back it. I agree we should not be involved militarily, but we can use economic sanctions to make sure our NATO friends are not screwed out of their energy pipelines.

    Having Kerry there is plenty of boots on the ground. Anything else needs to lead by the people that will be hurt the worst, Europe.

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    Lets not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SWFL_F1sh0n View Post
    Only reason we should get involved is from a NATO/UN perspective. However we should be in a support capacity only.
    Screw NATO/UN. I don't even agree with that. We should unazz the UN. This really pains me, but I think we agree on this.


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    UH?
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    I would be happy if we disengaged from the U.N. as it is a completely unless and ineffective organization. Although NATO is a different kettle of fish and really shouldn't be in the discussion about Ukraine in that Ukraine is not a member and, therefore, has no standing to ask members for assistance.
    Deo Vindice

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    You can't play RISK! on the subway. But that it is how I learned where Ukraine was when I was 11.

    We had an 20 y.o. exchange student from Ukraine visiting our Rotary Club about a year and a half ago. She talked about her county's dream of independence from the oppression of Russian rule.

    We didn't think that much of it at the time and dismissed it as the naiveté of her youth.

    It pains me to think of her as one of those patriots cut down in that youth in some debris filled street building a country and national identify for itself.

    That, my dear friends is profoundly American. And something that should resonate deeply with what you learned in grade school before you abandoned it to become the bitter and blind old farts who dismiss it as none of our business.

    As an American and Republican my heart breaks for these poor desperate people who risk everything to become what we as Americans take for granted; to stand on their own and make the will of the people the law of the land.

    If these people ask for help from the world model of independence and liberty, I as an American would be heartbroken and hypocritical to deny it. We cannot in all honesty of who we are deny that aid and be deaf to that call for help.

    I say employ the greatest power for liberty that this planet has ever known in achieving the same for the Ukraine. It is who we are, and what we do and should never fear.
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    Understanding Ukraine: The Problems Today and Some Historical Context:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2nklduvThs
    One of the primary functions of good government is to encourage citizens to go out and try their best to be successful.

    To make them comfortable, the desperate and fragile fantasy-land liberal delusions must be shielded from the bright lights of logic and rational thought.

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    The facts of the matter is we are already there, it's been the USA and EU who have orchestrated the protestors, both 10 yrs ago and today. If you don't believe me, then read this from 10 yrs ago.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/...making-of.html

    The early blueprints for all the "seemingly" spontaneous democratic revolutions of the past dozen years. We are doing the exact same thing in Venezuela right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangegill88 View Post
    The facts of the matter is we are already there, it's been the USA and EU who have orchestrated the protestors, both 10 yrs ago and today. If you don't believe me, then read this from 10 yrs ago.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/...making-of.html

    The early blueprints for all the "seemingly" spontaneous democratic revolutions of the past dozen years. We are doing the exact same thing in Venezuela right now.
    We believe you.
    Now if only Ukraine would accept the 'European Union Association Agreement' and the IMF loan terms, they could become an economic client state of the German empire (EU). Their new leaders will be wealthier and more corrupt than the last.
    there’s a racial animus

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