Corexit....oil dispersment chemical.... the new agent orange. Follow the money trail...
May 24, 2010 - 3:30pm
According to the Alaska Community Action on Toxics, the use of Corexit during the Exxon Valdez oil spill caused "respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders" in people.[6] According to the EPA, Corexit is more toxic than dispersants made by several competitors and less effective in handling southern Louisiana crude.[10]
Alternative dispersants which are approved by the EPA are listed on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule[11] and rated for their toxicity and effectiveness
One variant was used in the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster in Alaska. In 2010, Corexit EC9500A and Corexit EC9527A were used in unprecedentedly large quantities in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.[1] On May 19, 2010 the Environmental Protection Agency gave BP 24 hours to choose less toxic alternatives to Corexit, selected from the list of EPA-approved dispersants on the National Contingency Plan Product Schedule[2], and begin applying them within 72 hours of EPA approval of their choices.[3] BP has used Corexit 9500A and Corexit 9527A thus far, applying 600,000 US gallons (2,300,000 l) on the surface and the company's estimate of 55,000 US gallons (210,000 l) underwater.[4]
Now here is where it get's interesting....this one is for you mr. detective find the money coldie.
Nalco makes the chemical.
On Nalco's board of directors:
Rodney F Chase - former Deputy Chief Group Executive of - you guessed it - BP.
- Also served on board of Lehman Brothers.
Carl M Casale - Executive VP and CFO of MONSANTO.
Daniel S Saunders - Former President EXXON MOBIL
NALCO's largest shareholder? Berkshire Hathaway, owned by Warren Buffett
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Over/under that the current admin does nothing about this special relationship?
Jason
Source?
Makes sense for Nalco board to include other chemical companies.
Nalco makes water treatment chemicals that are probably in the water you drink. Nalco makes a very large number of chemicals - and yes, some are nasty.
From the Nalco website:
http://www.nalco.com/news-and-events/nalco-oil-dispersant-information.htm
Tylerod, what solution do you bring forward?
This post was modified at May 24, 2010 - 2:12pm (EST) by Waterengineer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/18/warren-buffett-buys-into_n_167859.html berkshire buying into nalco
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/board.asp?ticker=NLC:US board of directors
I agree with the other chemical companies hiring like minded but as you see above in my 1st post.....there were several other chemicals that are less harsh and more effective that were passed over.....and for what reason?
As far as solutions are concerned....i suggest public hanging.
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
Our efforts to destroy the enviroment continue....
BP has notified the EPA that it can’t just switch to another chemical dispersant. It doesn’t have anything else it can use. And by the way, Corexit – the EPA-approved dispersant which has been the standard product for the last 20 years used in dealing with oil spills – is “an EPA pre-approved, effective, low-toxicity dispersant that is readily available, and we continue to use it.”
So there.
We said below that the EPA’s directive Thursday that BP switch from using Corexit to something else was impractical in the extreme, given that chemical dispersant isn’t something you can just go to Wal-Mart and buy in suitable quantities to affect a 5,000-barrel-a-day (or whatever amount is coming out of the Macondo well) oil spill. And the idea that giving BP 72 hours to find something less toxic was even remotely viable was flat-out stupid – anyone could look at the fact that you need some 23,000 gallons a day of the stuff to keep it in supply at your current rate of use and realize that you have to basically commandeer a production line or else you’re going to run out.
BP has that with Corexit. They don’t have it with anything else. And that’s what they told the EPA tonight.
BP spokesman Scott Dean said Friday that BP had replied with a letter “that outlines our findings that none of the alternative products on the EPA’s National Contingency Plan Product Schedule list meets all three criteria specified in yesterday’s directive for availability, toxicity and effectiveness.”
There is another dispersant out there on EPA’s NCP Project Schedule called Sea-Brat 4, made by an outfit called Alabaster Corporation out of Houston, and it’s billed as a less-toxic alternative. Alabaster says they have 100,000 gallons of Sea-Brat 4 available. But 100,000 gallons is four days’ worth of dispersant as this spill goes. Do they have the capacity to ramp up production enough to meet demand for 23,000 gallons a day? Can they ramp that production up to the required volume in four days? If so, maybe BP should reverse their stance, if for no other reason than that at this point the PR value of not fighting with the EPA or envirofascists like Edward Markey is worth its weight in crude oil.
Sea-Brat 4’s website also recommends using, for “a 1000 gallon spill use 200 gallons of SEA BRAT concentrate and 800 gallons of water. 40 lbs. of blend ABB microbes would be wise.” If the size of this spill is, say, 5 million gallons, that would mean BP would need a million gallons of Sea-Brat and 200,000 pounds of microbes. Anybody know where you can pick up 100 tons of microbes?
The guess here is BP can’t replace their current supplier of dispersant with any sense of logistical practicality. Like we said earlier tonight, there isn’t enough Sea-Brat 4 available to meet BP’s needs and BP knows it. Nalco and ExxonMobil can, on the other hand, supply enough Corexit to meet the demand. And in that respect this is a microcosm of the Left’s arguments about fossil fuels – they whine that oil and coal are dirty and yucky and we need to get energy from something else, and the best they can do for an alternative are windmills and solar panels which don’t produce enough reliable energy to replace fossil fuels with.
So instead of recognizing that while Corexit is a little less than optimum for the environment but if the oil is going to be dispersed it’s the only real option, we get juvenile assaults and the blame game from people like Markey, who said this:
“BP had chosen one of the most toxic and least effective chemicals that were approved for use.”
http://thehayride.com/2010/05/macondodeepwater-horizon-spill-updates-2nd-thread/
Along that money trail that you want us all to follow,,,, we will find Barry, The politician who has received more money from BP than any other politician in the entire world.... Happy Trails.
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So you're rationalization is that they have they most supply therefore they are the only solution? You don't find it convenient that only 1 company can profit off of an oil spill....a company with previous BP exec? Is it not oddly convenient that another chemical has not been invented in 20 years?....the same 20 years that the most technological and biological advances have been made.... or is because none of the companies have BP execs on their board? BP didn't even build the f'n dome that was in their contingency plan.... they had to build it after the damn thing blew....yet you keep defending them. It's sickening.
ZI-400 30% more effective than corex on louisiana oil.
http://www.epa.gov/oem/content/ncp/products/zi400.htm
Do some research for yourself and stop posting slanted drivel.
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
Source please ...or are you full of BP's famed junk shot?
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
politico
reuters
MSNBC
sun sentinel
There are more and Google is free.
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ALLISON XB-21,,, MERCURY 300 hp OPTI MAX PRO-SERIES (SLIGHTLY MODIFIED) ------ You can't catch me!!!
Never mind...i found your source...LOL If you believe the POTUS who received a whopping 77k in political donations from BP would risk his career on such a miniscule amount of money compared to his future earning potential then there is no "hope" for you.
But i'm sure the 2 million Cheney received from Haliburton .....who also f'd up this rig....is ok..... right?.... patiently waiting your answer.
This post was modified at May 24, 2010 - 6:01pm (EST) by tylerod
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
Did I mention Cheney???? No
Did I say Barry received a giant amount????? No
Did I say he was making any special dispensations on behalf of BP???? NO
I simply said that while following the money trail one would find out that BP has given more political donations to Barry than any other politician.
Are you having comprehension problems again tylerod??????
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ALLISON XB-21,,, MERCURY 300 hp OPTI MAX PRO-SERIES (SLIGHTLY MODIFIED) ------ You can't catch me!!!
Now you pretend to take the high road like you weren't trying to change the subject and pull another Obama did it thread by implying. You're so transparent. If half the people on this forum didn't use the same tactic you might have slipped it through but clearly you are just another lemming with an agenda and lack of creativity.
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
Billy Bob and Bobby Joe solved the problem over 2 weeks ago.
See for yourself.
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I was simply stating a fact,,,, which upon your request I backed up with supporting documentation. As far as changing the topic,,,,, I believe the topic was follow the money trail,,,,, I think Barry has wandered the BP money trail more than any other politician..... So how is that changing the subject????? Just because you dont like the facts,,,,, they are still facts nonetheless.
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There are no BP execs that currently own hay farms....so were out of luck.
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
So maybe that is why they are not going to allow volunteers to clean birds or touch anything with oil on it.
and why they keep telling those oil workers to keep their hazmat suits and respirators on even though is 100 degrees in the shade
By changing the subject i should have clarified....derailing the non-partisan thread with more anti-obama rhetoric. I wonder how many threads here do not contain 1 anti bush or anti obama reply? Very few I imagine.
Maybe i was harsh but this tactic is played out.
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
The problem with the dispersant product is that it is chemically almost anti-freeze.....
how does that work with warm blooded animals like humans, cetaceans, birds, etc....not too good...
bee pee is telling the gub'mit what they'll use, when they use, how they'll use it.....
basically they are telling the gub'mit go f%&k yourself...which is what has been going on since the start of this nightmare.....
i don't care how much $$$$ bo got from bee pee, but when the biologist step in and say, enough is enough...it's time for plan "X" than someone has got to step up and put "big oil" in their place....
of course, you live in tennessee and don't have to smell the crapola we do....
and more importantly, it won't affect your life, or anybody else's life in the great state of tennessee....
you don't have a dog in this hunt....period.....
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Right...you can't have volunteers having skin contact with corexant.....which causes "respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders" in people.
"They misunderestimate me" -George W. Bush
Actually I do have a "dog in the hunt"!!!!
-I have several friends (forum members) who live on the west coast of Florida.
-I fish Florida waters (and Louisiana on occassion) several times every year.
-I plan on building my retirement home in Florida (maybe on the gulf coast) in the next 2 or 3 years
-MOST IMPORTANTLY,,,, I AM AN AMERICAN!!! and it pains me to see any of her citizens hurting the way that you guys are.
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You posted no supporting documentation.
Try submitting a list of news agencies next time the farm co-op wants to know what fertilizers you are applying to your crops.
Documentation is done with documents, not a reply of "Google is free" Feel free to post up links to "documentation"
Otherwise, "EPIC FAILURE"
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True,,, documentation was a poor choice of words... Failure tag accepted in this case. Sources would have been more appropriate.
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Atta boy!
Notice I never disputed what you said. It could be true. I just want documents, when documentation is claimed.
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If you can't catch a fish, catch a buzz!
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Fact: President Obama has taken more money from BP than any other candidate in 20 years.
Enjoy.
Obama admin security failure.
If you can't catch a fish, catch a buzz!
Even if that were true then exactly what does it have to do with anything
Obama didn't drill the well, or put the concrete in or decide that we didn't need the acoustically operated blow out preventer
come to think of it it was our old friend cheney's company that did a crappy job cementing the well
and If I remember right it was cheney in 2002 that changed the rules and said that the oil companies no longer neeeded to use those half a million dollar acoustic blow out preventers
20 you sure you want to make a political issue out of this?
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Its true.
Make with it what you will.
Obama admin security failure.
How much did BP give Obama?
Where is Bike Boy?
Where is his condemnation of "corrects-it" (corexit) and Obamaco?
Those that wish to destroy America remain silent......
What I am opposed to is a Dumb Tax. What I am opposed to is a Global Poverty Tax. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by the UN, Barak Obama, Jeffery Sachs, George Soros and other armchair, weekend saviors in this Obamanation to shove their own id
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I already said. More than any other politician in 20 years.
Obama admin security failure.
How much would that be? A million? I see you you know a lot about this subject, so you must know how much.
This post was modified at May 26, 2010 - 9:35pm (EST) by Mister-Jr
Who cares how much money the oil companies throw around in our government. WE all know our government is "bought and paid for" by corporate America. If its not the oil companies is the bankers or the pharmaceutical industry or the Insurance industry or etc.
Now to get back to the topic of this thread. Seems a bunch of the shrimpers and fishermen BP hired to pull those booms got sick yesterday and they sent the whole fleet home.
Seems I read somewhere that the dispersants cause respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders" in people.
No telling what it will do to the fish and wildlife exposed to it
Might be why we haven't heard about cleaning oil contaminated birds like you usually here about during an oil spill. They know they are going to die from exposure to the dispersants.
They won't let any volunteers touch anything that has oil on it. Only paid workers
Who cares? Thats the attitude that puts these A-holes in office to begin with. The fact that lobbyists can buy out politicians and is protected by the constitution needs to change.
Its why Im probably leaving the republican party soon. They are bought out by pharmaceutical companies and religious groups and will forever keep the idiotic war on drugs illegal, prostitution, gambling, ect.
The democratic party - well hell, everyone knows how I feel about that group of morons.
Theres only one place for me to go.
Obama admin security failure.