The Iron is HOT!!!!
November 15, 2009 - 1:25pm
Alright guys the IRON IS HOT!! the Times union and local news has finally given some coverage and we as a group need to pursue with great effort a course to get the Magnuson -Stevens Act changed or at the least have our representatives push on the bill H.R. 3307 introduced by Andrew Crenshaw. The following is an exert from an e-mail I received from him 8/28/09
"Additionally, you might be interested to know that I recently joined several of my colleagues in introducing legislation, H.R. 3307. This legislative initiative directs the Secretary of Commerce to conduct a study of the red snapper in the South Atlantic fishery and to delay implementing an interim rule until the data from the new study can be utilized.
I am confident that the interests of the Department of Commercein managing our fisheries and my interest in saving jobs and revenue in the state of Florida are not mutually exclusive. I support seeking a resolution that will fulfill both the requirements of the Magnuson-Stevens Act, as well as sustain the fishing industry in Florida."
Unless we as a whole ( I mean Florida) rally up and continue the fight against the use of bad data and the laws which are forcing the implementation of draconian regulations on our fishery we will at some point be banned from every species in our offshore fishery. If this is allowed to happen with the red snapper the next plan by the council will have to be that to much pressure has been put on the pelagic species (by the way Pelagics are on the councils next agenda check it out) because of the ban on vertical fishing due to the red snapper being over fished.
Lets keep the presure on our local government,State,and Federal. I would be inclined to pursue another boat float on the weekend when more people could partisapate. Would there be any interest in this?
This post was modified at June 25, 2010 - 12:53pm (EST) by Mud Ranger
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Earl,
Congratulations on your efforts so far. It looks like you are making a difference. I have a lot of experience organizing things and my advice to you is to schedule your activities as far as ahead as reasonably appropriate and to communicate, communicate, communicate. Use every source available to you including FS Forum, local fishing clubs, newspaper editors(Jim Sutton), other internet websites such as The Hull Truth, Dammitman, etc. Your point of economic damage is accurate, IMHO, so find those that will be damaged and get them involved. Fuel companies, local tackle shops, boat dealerships, truck dealerships, clothing companies(Aftco, Guy Harvey,etc) and anyone else that will be damaged. It is in their economic interest to help you. Spread the word beyond just our local market.
You're doing a great job, spread the word far and wide and if the boat float is your intention, get the word out and have people tell their friends who should tell their friends and on and on.
Congratulations again. Great job.
***To clarify, you don't need my advice, your doing a great job on your own. The advice was given for you to take if it helps because I want to see you take this to a successful conclusion.
I would
Psalm 46:10
"Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
Thats awesome. This is a HUGE breath of fresh air to know that we actually can make a difference, but the war is STILL not over. A boat float on the weekend would be fun.
FYI, Congresswoman Corrine Brown has signed on as a co-sponsor to H.R. 3307. So she has been listening as well. It is my understanding that if HR3307 does not go through the entire legislative process during this session of Congress, then it will have to be re-introduced again next year.
Count me in.
Good work Earl, I applaud your efforts!!!
We could get a boat float together around the light parades, palm vally and downtown.
Trout
Sure did turn out to be a nice day, reel nice...
We need a bow to stern string of boats the stretches from the Acosta to the Main Street bridge right in front of the landing, preferably on a Jags home game day!
OK guys update from Lisa Rinaman Policy Director for the mayors office called me today to let me know where the city is on the snapper closure issues. They took my advice and had a representative at the public hearing and with a little research have concluded that our concerns are also a city concern and they are drafting a letter of resolution to the SAFMC with the cities concerns and are also requesting from the cities legal department input as to how to address this federal issue as it will effect the economics of our community. Our local representatives will be contacted by the city to also push for resolution in this matter at a federal level. Our city council members are also calling and e-mailing the city voicing concerns Lisa told me.
Just goes to show you even one squeaky wheel can make a difference. Imagine if we all got behind the city on this. Like I said the Iron is hot show Lisa in the city that we are in support of their efforts give her a call and talk to your city council members. Remember do not beat them up just voice your concerns on the fact that these regulations will effect our community economically.
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Good gosh o'mighty! The world is coming to an end! ::faints::
Susan
Good call in going to the City Earl! Let it be known that you ARE the man!
Gonna call.
Susan
I work in her district.....and have 70 of her peoples in here too. We bombarded her email, a while back. I had all her "constituants" email her from my computer here at work.....we told her that the ocean they want to close has her whitings in it.....and if we can't fish in the ocean, then no more whitings, figured that'd get her attention.
Steve
Sea Snake
Here is Lisa Rinaman's # give her a shout and let her know you support the city's effort to stop the red snapper closures and how you feel about it. 630-1653
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Thankyou for your hard work!
23 Ft KenCraft Challenger TE
Ok guys latest up date from the city council attached is an e-mail with directions to help our cause I suggest we take advantage of this. Lets follow Johns suggestions and make it happen. I contacted Dennis Young tonight and he is going to work his contacts and if you have relatives along the coast from here south or north let them know to contact the city councils and mayors to inform them of Jacksonville's city government's position and that we need all cities to join in we have one city on board and should be easier to get the rest to follow suite. I will post up the Bill number to include with your e-mails to the city council as soon as John sends it to me. Remember our mission is to give support to the city councils and mayors efforts in this matter so let them know. I would like to get a very,very,very large group to show up Tuesday to get this passed as an emergency resolution. Telling NOAA and the SAFMC that our local city government is also behind us.It will not be something they expected cause I feel NOAA and SAFMC are use to no one taking the fight to the next level.
Mr. Kerr:
Attached is a resolution I have introduced for consideration by the entire City Council. The resolution should appear (as a new introduction) on the City Council agenda at Tuesday night’s meeting. I expect to have a bill number assigned to the resolution sometime tomorrow, and will forward you the number as soon as I receive it.
Unfortunately, the normal legislative process will not bring the resolution to a vote (by the full City Council) until December 8, 2009. However, as I understand it, voting on December 8th would be well after the public comment period had ended for proposed South Atlantic Fishery Management Council amendments 17A, 17B and 18. With that said, the only way to have the resolution become part of the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council public comment record would be for the City Council to consider it as an emergency Tuesday night. While certainly possible, consideration as an emergency would be greatly enhanced if you (and others interested in this issue) did the following;
· Contact other City Council members urging them to sponsor, support and/or consider the resolution as an emergency. (When contacting City Council members, the bill number will make it easier for you to reference the resolution.)
· Attend Tuesday’s City Council meeting to address the City Council during the public comment period (around 6:00 PM) urging City Council members to sponsor, support and/or consider the resolution as an emergency.
It is also my understanding that Mayor Peyton intends to send a letter to the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council with language similar to that found in Section 1 of my resolution.
Again, I’ll provide you with a bill number as soon as I have the same. If you should have any questions, please contact me accordingly.
John R. Crescimbeni
City Councilman, At-Large, Group 2
Office of the City Council
City Hall at St. James
117 West Duval Street, Suite 425
Jacksonville, Florida 32202
(904) 630-1381
<<SouthAtlanticFisheryMgtCouncil-Resolution.doc>>
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Here's the content of the document being proposed tuesday evening.
Introduced by Council Member Crescimbeni:
RESOLUTION 2009-
A RESOLUTION URGING THE SOUTH ATLANTIC FISHERY MANAGEMENT COUNCIL TO REFRAIN FROM ADOPTING REGULATION AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF IMPOSING DRASTIC RESTRICTIONS ON SNAPPER-GROUPER FISHING IN FEDERAL WATERS OFF THE FLORIDA COAST BASED ON INCOMPLETE OR INSUFFICIENT SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION; DIRECTING THE CHIEF OF LEGISLATIVE SERVICES TO FORWARD A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION TO THE SOUTH ATLANTIC FISHERY MANAGEMENT COUNCIL; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
WHEREAS, the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council has proposed several amendments to coastal fishing regulations that would have the effect of drastically curtailing, if not entirely eliminating, fishing for red snapper, grouper, tilefish, sea bass, and other deepwater fish for a period of many years in order to combat overfishing and depletion of fish stocks; and
WHEREAS, the fishing industry is an important one to Florida’s economy and the fish caught by that industry are an important part of Florida’s overall food chain and a vital component of the state’s restaurant and tourism industries which provide employment and economic support for hundreds of thousands of workers; and
WHEREAS, while the protection of sustainable fisheries and fish populations is undoubtedly an important function and a national priority, the regulatory means to these important ends should be based on the best available scientific data and a true understanding of the actual conditions of the fish populations, their overall abundance, reproductive rates, average lifespan, and other factors that determine the sustainability of fish stocks; and
WHEREAS, legitimate questions have been raised by numerous parties about the quality and sufficiency of the data upon which the current proposed regulations are based, and these questions should be resolved to the greatest extent possible by unbiased parties and good quality, peer reviewed science before drastic regulations are implemented that would affect the economic livelihood and quality of life of tens of thousands of Florida’s citizens; now therefore
BE IT RESOLVED by the Council of the City of Jacksonville:
Section 1. That the City of Jacksonville hereby urges the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council to refrain from adopting regulatory amendments that would have the effect of imposing drastic restrictions on snapper-grouper fishing in federal waters off the Florida coast based on incomplete or insufficient scientific information, and urges the Council to commission unbiased experts to assemble the best quality relevant data to determine what regulations are merited to meet the goal of sustainable fisheries.
Section 2. The City Council hereby directs the Council’s Chief of Legislative Services to forward a copy of this adopted resolution to the Chair and the Executive Director of the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council in North Charleston, South Carolina.
Section 3. Effective Date. This Resolution shall become effective upon signature by the Mayor or upon becoming effective without the Mayor's signature.
Form Approved:
__________________________________________
Office of General Counsel
Legislation Prepared By: Jeff Clements, City Council Research
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Here is the Resolution Number to include in your e-mails of support to our city council members. Please everyone send all the city council members an e-mail and lets all show up at the this Tuesdays city council meeting Tell everyone you know you don't have to be a fisherman to stand behind this Resolution.
Mr. Kerr: Any correspondnece or communication with City Council members should reference Resolution 2009-920.John R. Crescimbeni
City Councilman, At-Large, Group 2
Office of the City Council
City Hall at St. James
117 West Duval Street, Suite 425
Jacksonville, Florida 32202
(904) 630-1381
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This is great news! What is the date of the city council meeting?
I sincerely appreciate all of the hard work you are doing, as I am sure we all do! Thank you very much!
Also, I just posted this up on Thuhulltruth.com forum
Emails sent. I can attach a template that is easy and straight forward if you guys want. Took me about 15 minutes to email everyone.
Response from Councilman Redman:
I will support this bill Tuesday night. I plan to add my name as a co-sponsor.
Thank you for contacting me.
Don Redman
City Council District 4
City council members:
District Council Members
District 1: Clay Yarborough
Phone: (904) 630-1389Email: Clay@coj.net
Assistant: Angela Ryan
District 2: William Bishop
Phone: (904) 630-1392Email: WBishop@coj.net
Assistant: Suzanne WarrenDistrict 3: Richard ClarkPhone: (904) 630-1386
Email: RClark@coj.netAssistant: Sonia Johnson
District 4: Don Redman
Phone: (904) 630-1394Email: Redman@coj.net
Assistant: Scott A. Wilson
District 5: Art Shad
Phone: (904) 630-1382Email: AShad@coj.net
Assistant: Debbie Delgado
District 6: Jack Webb
Phone: (904) 630-1388Email: Webb@coj.net
Assistant: Suzie Loving
District 7: Dr. Johnny Gaffney
Phone: (904) 630-1384Email: Gaffney@coj.net
Assistant: Bridgette Green
District 8: E. Denise Lee
Phone: (904) 630-1385Email: EDLee@coj.net
Assistant: Tiffany Hager
District 9: Warren A. Jones
Phone: (904) 630-1395Email: WAJones@coj.net
Assistant: Rupel Wells
District 10: Reginald L. Brown
Phone: (904) 630-1684Email: RBrown@coj.net
Assistant: Daphne Colbert
District 11: Ray Holt
Phone: (904) 630-1383Email: Holt@coj.net
Assistant: Connie Holt
District 12: Daniel Davis
Phone: (904) 630-1380Email: DDavis@coj.net
Assistant: Sarah Lane
District 13: John Meserve
Phone: (904) 630-1397Email: JMeserve@coj.net
Assistant: Stan Johnson
District 14: Michael Corrigan
Phone: (904) 630-1390Email: Corrigan@coj.net
Assistant: Dianne Smith
At-Large Council Members
Group 1: Ronnie Fussell
Phone: (904) 630-1393Email: RonnieF@coj.net
Assistant: Mina Hosseini
Group 2: John R. Crescimbeni
Phone: (904) 630-1381Email: JRC@coj.net
Assistant: Group 3: Stephen C. JoostPhone: (904) 630-1396
Email: Joost@coj.netAssistant: Celeste Hicks
Group 4: Kevin Hyde
Phone: (904) 630-1398Email: KHyde@coj.net
Assistant: Alison Miller
Group 5: Glorious J. Johnson
Phone: (904) 630-1387Email: GloriousJ@coj.net
Assistant: Sandra Lane
To send a message to each council member, copy and paste this into your address line:
Clay@coj.net; WBishop@coj.net; RClark@coj.net; Redman@coj.net; AShad@coj.net; Webb@coj.net; Gaffney@coj.net; EDLee@coj.net; WAJones@coj.net; RBrown@coj.net; Holt@coj.net; DDavis@coj.net; JMeserve@coj.net; Corrigan@coj.net; RonnieF@coj.net; JRC@coj.net; Joost@coj.net; KHyde@coj.net; GloriousJ@coj.net
Thanks Earl. Thanks Tim for making it so convenient to send. I sent my .02 worth. I hope everyone will do the same.
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Send more comments directly to the source. This is the email list for the South Atlantic Fisheries Marine Council(SAFMC). Fill their email boxes with courteous but firm comments of their ill-concieved attempt to close the snapper fishery.
seageorg@bellsouth.net; palmettobooks@bellsouth.net ; brian.cheuvront@ncdenr.gov ; mcurrin1@bellsouth.net; miridon@ec.rr.com; boylesr@dnr.sc.gov; tom@captdicks.com ; SShipman@dnr.state.ga.us; ga_capt@yahoo.com; georgejgeiger@bellsouth.net; bhartig@bellsouth.net; Mark.Robson@myfwc.com; roy.crabtree@noaa.gov; Wilson_Laney@fws.gov; voshea@asmfc.org; Brian.A.Sullivan@uscg.mil ; Warner-KramerDM@state.gov
Done!
Let's get this boat float going. I'm willing to provide a boat ride for folks who want to participate but don't have a boat.
Psalm 46:10
"Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
btt
This is the date and time for the city council meeting So if you can lets have a good showing in support of the emergency vote on this resolution 2009-920. If you can not attend please e-mail all the council members with support of the Resolution 2009-920.
OFFICE OF THE CITY COUNCILAGENDA TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF
Tuesday November 24, 2009
5:00 P.M.Q - When and where does the City Council meet?
A - The full City Council meets on the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month at 5:00 p.m. in the Council Chamber in City Hall at St. James (117 W. Duval Street). These meetings are broadcast by Comcast on cable channel 24 live and WJCT Channel 7 at 11:00 p.m. on the day of the meeting. The council committees also meet in the Chamber on the first and third weeks of the month.
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Done!!
REsponse from Councilman Jack Webb
Mr. Brown:
Rest assured, you have my support.
All the best.
Jack
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Got this response from Mac Currin when I sent an email to the SAMFC. He appears to be address my comment that perhaps comemrcial and recreational fisherman should adhere to the same limits and regulation (sorry to any of you commercial guys out there). I think we need to bombard this guy with more emails. I replied, everybody else should too.
Mr. Reichart-
Thank you for your email about red snapper. Although it "may" be true that
the commercial industry once caused the greatest mortality of red snapper,
recently, the recreational fishery is responsible for the greatest
proportion of red snapper mortality. The current fishery is what the
council must deal with and manage, so measures to reduce mortality must also
include the recreational fishery.
Mac Currin
On another note, got a positive reply from Jack Webb assuring that we have his support.
Psalm 46:10
"Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
Here is a reply I received over the weekend, we need to attand the City Council Meeting:
Mr. Bowers:
Thank you for your email.
There appear to have been a number of other emails sent to City Council members (in the past few days) supporting the approval of my resolution (2009-920) as an emergency at our meeting Tuesday night. The resolution opposes the SAFMC’s proposal to implement fishing bans on snapper, grouper and other species, and addresses the fact that the data being used by the SAFMC is questionable at best.
Because the public comment period for the SAFMC amendments (17A, 17B and 18) ends on Wednesday, November 25, 2009, it is imperative that the City Council approve the resolution as an emergency Tuesday night if it is to be included as part of their record. I would encourage you to consider attending Tuesday’s City Council meeting to voice your support of 2009-920 during the public comment period – which normally begins around 6 PM.
Thank you again for your email.
John R. Crescimbeni
City Councilman, At-Large, Group 2
Office of the City Council
City Hall at St. James
117 West Duval Street, Suite 425
Jacksonville, Florida 32202
(904) 630-1381
Emails sent!
To quote Einstein, "The problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking that created them". We must ask new, better and more powerful questions to these decision makers to cause change. It appears some of these questions are being asked.
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guess I must be over my alloted ban width my post didn't go through
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Link to committee on Florida's Economy
http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/View_Pa ... senate/SFE
Letter I wrote to Senator Gaetz
Senator Don Gaetz
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1100.
I am writing you about the proposed red snapper closures in regards to the economy of our great State of Florida. I am a life long residence of Jacksonville Florida and recreational fisherman as was my grandfather,father,and my two children.
You are probably aware of the proposals by NOAA and the South Atlantic Fishery Management Council which intend to virtually close vast areas of our fishery off our East coast for recreational and commercial fishing. These proposed regulation are the most drastic in the history of fishery management and will drastically effect our coastal communities socially and economically.
The Mayor of Jacksonville has taken a position on the proposals as well as our city council and have drafted a letter of resolution to be voted on in an emergency vote Tuesday Nov. 23 2009. The proposed resolution is as follows:
Here's the content of the document being proposed Tuesday evening.I had to leave the resolution out so this would post up
It is my request and numerous other recreational anglers and commercial fishers that our State government take issue with these Federal proposed regulations which will have a major impact on our local economy. Several of your colleagues have also taken issue with the questionable data by NOAA and the SAFMC research on the stock assessments of our snapper fishery and have been diligently trying to halt the efforts of the SAFMC to close the whole fishery from N.C. to the southern Keys till better science can be used for a more accurate assessment. The State of Florida is the fishing capital of the world and deserves the use of accurate data in it's fishery management not just the best available. The integrity of the SAFMC and NOAA is highly suspicious
I suggest several changes to the current system of fishery management:
1. Members of the SAFMC should be elected not nominated (the chance of non bias decision making is removed and the people of the State are represented with integrity).
2. NOAA should not be allowed to be a voting member of the SAFMC.
3. The State representatives on the council should represent three divisions with a member each 1)recreational, 2)commercial, 3)governmental
4. Any Federal regulation impacting the local coastal communities should be required to pass a State Federal regulation review board made up with a representative of each coastal community effected.
5. Independent State represented peer review of all fishery stock assessments prior to the rubber stamping of the stock tagged as over fished.
There are several other options that may also be considered in this process and should be addressed.
In conclusion I would hope that you would review the information provided and join with the City of Jacksonville in this Resolution 2009-920 and the State consider a resolution position in support of requiring better science to manage our fisheries.
Looking forward to your position on this matter.
Sincerely,
Earl Kerr
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House Resolution #3307 - To direct the Secretary of Commerce to conduct a study of the population of the South Atlantic red snapper fishery, and to limit the authority of the Secretary to promulgate any interim rule that prohibits fishing in the South Atlantic red snapper fishery.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3307 Sponsored by thirteen representatives; John Mica, Anders Crenshaw, and others, mostly from Florida.
HR #3307 has been referred to the House Committee on Natural Resources (HCNR), 49 members (no members from Florida, one member from Georgia).
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php
And, to the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife, 23 members
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=60
Henry Brown R-SC is the only sponsor of HR #3307, who is also member of the HCNR. Mr. Brown is also the ranking Republican on the Subcommittee.
And also the following comment from the HR #3307 website: “…if your Member of Congress does not sit on any committee relevant to this bill, you generally have no opportunity to voice your opinion on the bill while the bill is receiving its most important consideration.”
Although, we have no members of congress from Florida sitting on this very important committee, maybe we can sway the other members to report HR #3307 out with favorable recommendations.....
It's not time to stop now keep pushing with every avenue available.
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I would like to know why our spineless leaders in the FWC always bend to the whim of SAFMC, by changing the rules in state waters as fast as i change my skivies to match the stupid feds with their junk data.
Don't think they have changed it yet. I think June is possible
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congratulation.....good efforts....
Thanks
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