NOAA has gone to far, way too far

harbisonharbison Posts: 2,345 Captain
We, in the South, are not in this alone, NOAA has gone too far, way too far. NOAA is NOAA's own worst enemy:
The inspector general's new investigation, as it pertains to the New England Fishery Management Council, arrives as a federal lawsuit against the work of the council and NOAA in creating the catch share regimen for the groundfishery heads into the First U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston
Underlying the suit and the decision of the plaintiffs to take the case to the Court of Appeals is an explicit concern about undue influence of environmental non-government organizations — notably thee Environmental Defense Fund — that are financially fueled by giant foundations, including those derived from the success of the Hewlett-Packard, Intel and Wal-Mart corporations.
The net effect — including in New England, according to NOAA's own figures — has been to consolidate more quota and control in fewer hands, while driving many small independent fishing boats and businesses to the sidelines. NOAA figures show that the first year of catch shares essentially shut down some two dozen of Gloucester's then 95-vessel fishing fleet.
Lubchenco, then a board officer with the Environmental Defense Fund, helped obtain foundation funding for catch shares studies and helped write a policy paper for EDF that, financed primarily by the Walton Foundation, urged President Obama to transform U.S. fisheries into catch share markets without delay.
'Walton Foundation,' better known as Walmart, EDF, the president of the United States, and NOAA, what a combination.
We, in the South, are not in this alone, NOAA has gone too far, way too far. NOAA is NOAA's own worst enemy. We fish! We VOTE!
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Lubchenco, and all around her, must go. Her position, head of NOAA, is an appointed position. Come November, let's remember who appointed her. We fish, we VOTE!

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  • CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
    There will be a day of reckoning.

    No one no matter how powerful can outlaw the law of diminishing returns.

    Eventually they will force entire segments of the population to become poachers, when that incredible amount of uncounted fish begins to affect their data....their scheme will fall apart and their variables will be without merit or backing.
    NOAA/NMFS will be forced to move form a science organization into an enforcement organization and they will lose sight of their path as they try to chase millions of recreational and many commercial fishers who will simply choose to ignore them.
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  • EggsuckindogEggsuckindog Posts: 1,528 Officer
    Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.” (’Atlas Shrugged’ 1957)
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  • saltybradsaltybrad Posts: 501 Officer
    How many people break the speeding laws everyday? It's no different now,
  • BucYouUp68BucYouUp68 Posts: 1,184 Officer
    The people that are running this are worse then the devil himself. They all need to be disposed of.
    I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day.

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  • harbisonharbison Posts: 2,345 Captain
    Big money, really big money, hits the fishing industry.
    "Trading IFQs." Paid fishing for the commercial segment. Pay those sitting behind the desk for enough IFQs to try and make a living, try and make a living by actually working on the water!
    "Pay to play." 'Catch shares' paid fishing headed towards the recreational segment. Pay Walmart for the privilege of catching what was once our fish!
    Catch shares: Catch shares, Lubchenco's legacy to EDF, Pew, Catch shares, the end of FREE fishing. Catch shares, a Walmart dream come true.
    Catch shares, and IFQ's: With the onset of both, over-fishing, endangered species, ridiculous possession limits, and a 40 day American red snapper season, all come to an end. What a miraculous recovery! Just think, now that we, those of us whom actually fish recreationally, of for a living, are forced to pay, pay, and then pay again for the privilege of catching what was, and should always be, ours to begin with, a treasure belonging to the American people, OUR fish, all is OK with the (the...not our) fishery. All it took to set us straight was, "Big money, really big money!" How naive of us, we actually thought science had something to do with it! Bob H.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,203 Admiral
    Big money huh? I guess for some, most of the grouper fishermen I know are doing what they always did, making a living and taking care of their families. I haven't seen any of them driving a new(or old) Ferrari. Haven't seen much in the way of new boats being built(cept in the Keys for lobster) nor to many new pick ups . I also DON'T see a bunch of small time grouper fishermen going out of business, I'm sure there were some though, just as there were some every year before CS.
    Anyway just my rambling thoughts.

    Art C.
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  • ACME Ventures FishingACME Ventures Fishing Posts: 851 Officer
    ANUMBER1 wrote: »
    Big money huh? I guess for some, most of the grouper fishermen I know are doing what they always did, making a living and taking care of their families. I haven't seen any of them driving a new(or old) Ferrari. Haven't seen much in the way of new boats being built(cept in the Keys for lobster) nor to many new pick ups . I also DON'T see a bunch of small time grouper fishermen going out of business, I'm sure there were some though, just as there were some every year before CS.
    Anyway just my rambling thoughts.

    Art C.

    Yes....for some. That is a big problem however. Its the profit on every pound of fish caught, generally
    by those that never step on a boat. Its the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by NOAA on Catch
    Share programs, that someone is profiting from, while not being able to afford to provide the reliable data
    needed to manage OUR fisheries in a Science Based manner. So where dis those hundreds of millions
    of our dollars actually go that were earmarked for Catch Shares???? How about the money taken out
    of Fishery Science and research, and Reallocated to catch Shares....Who profited from that? Someone is,
    and we deserve to know who!

    Meanwhile, NOAA continues to manage OUR fisheries with mostly commercial landing data, and no
    Rec data, and Very Little Biomass data. What does that make most fishery decisions...Guesswork!
    ................................And yet someone of making a lot of money off of this policy.
  • CaptBobBryantCaptBobBryant Posts: 5,716 Officer
    Yes....for some. That is a big problem however. Its the profit on every pound of fish caught, generally
    by those that never step on a boat. Its the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by NOAA on Catch
    Share programs, that someone is profiting from, while not being able to afford to provide the reliable data
    needed to manage OUR fisheries in a Science Based manner. So where dis those hundreds of millions
    of our dollars actually go that were earmarked for Catch Shares???? How about the money taken out
    of Fishery Science and research, and Reallocated to catch Shares....Who profited from that? Someone is,
    and we deserve to know who!

    Meanwhile, NOAA continues to manage OUR fisheries with mostly commercial landing data, and no
    Rec data, and Very Little Biomass data. What does that make most fishery decisions...Guesswork!
    ................................And yet someone of making a lot of money off of this policy.

    Eventually this deficit in data will cause the CS and IFQ schemes to crash and a bunch of people will be holding worthless pieces of paper, that they fought and advocated for to their own determent.
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  • Tom HiltonTom Hilton Posts: 1,550 Captain
    First thing that needs to happen is for the commercial IFQ holders to pay for the costs of running the program - the 3% fee in no way covers the costs that are currently being subsidized by the American taxpayers. That fee needs to be raised to about 20% immediately. If the IFQ holders think that is too high, then perhaps the REAL costs of implementing this socialist program reveal that it's not such a good deal for anyone, and we should scrap it in favor of programs designed to actually help the fish - not create a Fishermen's Retirement Program at taxpayer expense.

    The IG needs to investigate how the changes to the Magnuson were "crafted and implemented", as EDF's fingerprints are all over it - why should an enviro corporation be able to exert so much influence on our fisheries policy when they are not even a stakeholder? Oh yeah, the 400% profits to be earned on our Public Trust Resource, according to EDF's Dave Festa.

    Capt. Thomas J. Hilton
  • FletchFletch Merritt Island, FLPosts: 2,277 Moderator
    Eventually they will force entire segments of the population to become poachers,

    It's already happening over here in the SA with Red Snapper. I recently heard of a fisherman that was busted with over a dozen gallon bags of ARS fillets. Last year around this time, there was another busted with bags of Gag fillets. Makes you wonder how many aren't being caught.

    Yeah, GREAT job NOAA. :rolleyes
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  • SpineymanSpineyman Posts: 7,520 Admiral
    Like I have said from day one of this nonsense. It is notthing more than greed driven and lust for power on the other end. It will not change until we get people in office that have moral convictions and won't have their pockets greased.
    AKA Jiggin Junkie

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    if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.



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