FORT MYERS OFFSHORE ON STRUCTURE 30'

FINALLY GOT OUT AFTER WEEKENDS OF HOME IMPROVEMENT TRIPS TO LOWES AND HOME DEPOT. WATER LOOKED GREAT AND FOUND SOME NICE THREADFINS (FINALLY) ANCHORED AT THE SPOT, DROPPED A LIVE THREADFIN HERRING, AND RIGHT AWAY PULLED OUT THIS BABY GOLIATH.
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL CREATURE :) WOULD MAKE SOME NICE FILLETS! BUT GOTTA CONTROL MISELF! GOT A NICE SPANISH MACK, AND BROTHER PULLEDBROUGHT OUT A NICE SHARK (ABOUT 6 FOOTER!) GOT THE VIDEO BUT TOO MANY BAD WORDS :) SO I CAN'T POST IT. GOOD TIME OUT THERE!

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  • saltwaterfngsaltwaterfng Posts: 39 Deckhand
    wtg :)
  • fish4funfish4fun Posts: 225 Officer
    Yeah man the goliath is really a nice fish. Nice catch out there. The water looks great.
  • tilemantileman Posts: 1,067 Officer
    get rid of that pic! they'll kill ya for taken it out of the water :Popcorn
    Here's ta swimn' with bowllegged women!
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 Officer
    tileman wrote: »
    get rid of that pic! they'll kill ya for taken it out of the water :Popcorn

    Kill? No, a call from FWC is more likely.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

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  • offshore22offshore22 Posts: 67 Deckhand
    Imagine these guys getting caught at the marina with this LOAD!

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  • grouperupgrouperup Posts: 131 Deckhand
    I'd say those guys won that grouper tournament
  • bigred89bigred89 Posts: 29 Greenhorn
    And snapper look at the size of the cubero
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 Officer
    offshore22 wrote: »
    Imagine these guys getting caught at the marina with this LOAD!

    Yup. Because of that, you can't do this.

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    The FWC goliath / tarpon Law enforcement guidance memo:

    The recent interest of anglers targeting goliath grouper has caused the FWC’s Division of Law Enforcement to examine its philosophy for enforcement of the goliath grouper regulations. Goliath grouper are a prohibited species; therefore the species receives greater protection to ensure its continued health. A portion of 68B-14.0036(2) (g) states “No person shall harvest in or from state waters, nor possess while in or on the waters of the state, or land, any Nassau grouper or goliath grouper.” One must next look at the definition of harvest under 68B-14.002(6) to clarify proper catch and release techniques for this prohibited species

    “Harvest” means the catching or taking of a fish by any means whatsoever, followed by a reduction of such fish to possession. Fish that are caught but immediately returned to the water free, alive and unharmed are not harvested. In addition, temporary possession of a fish for the purpose of measuring it to determine compliance with the minimum size requirements shall not constitute harvesting such fish, provided that it is measured immediately after taking, and immediately returned to the water free, alive and unharmed.


    Looking at the above definition of harvest, it states that fish immediately returned to the water free, alive, and unharmed are not harvested. The later part of the definition describes temporary possession for the purpose of measuring for compliance of size requirements. Since goliath groupers are prohibited there is no reason to measure the fish, except for scientific purposes. Because of this, the release of the fish must be immediate. Looking at the above definition again, the conclusion could be drawn that if a large goliath is brought on-board a vessel it is likely going to sustain some type of internal injury. The skeletal structure of large Goliath grouper cannot adequately support their weight out of the water without some type of damage. If a large goliath is brought on-board a vessel it is likely to sustain some form of internal injury. Thus, if the fish is harmed it could be considered harvested by definition. Removing smaller goliaths from the water to remove hooks is not necessarily a bad practice, but this process must be done with care, using proper fish handling techniques, as expeditiously as possible. The taking of photographs after removal of hooks and posing for pictures with goliaths is not considered an immediate release of the fish.

    The same philosophy described above should be applied to the catching and handling of any large species of fish, such as tarpon.
    The FWC will be implementing a significant educational element as part of this enforcement philosophy to discourage the “boating” of large goliaths for photo opportunities, as well as educating the public that the retention of smaller goliaths for photographs is not considered an immediate release.

    Law enforcement officers are encouraged to use their discretion and educate the public on this philosophy when dealing with goliath grouper. Officers will pursue penalties in egregious cases following an education period.
    Identifiable individuals who have posted pictures of inappropriately handled goliaths on various web forums and web pages may be contacted by law enforcement officers and investigators to educate them on the agency’s conservation philosophy.

    Understanding the importance of your contribution to marine resource management and conservation is vital to maintaining healthy fish stocks. You have a direct effect on the resource every time you go fishing. Adhering to fishing regulations means healthier fish populations. Good fisheries management means better fishing in the future!

    The intent is that must release all restricted species immediately or risk reducing it to possession.

    With regulated species, like snook and redfish you can take reasonable time you need to determine if it is within regulatory take limits. And you can take a photo of one as you are doing it
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    Just an FYI
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  • namanutnamanut Posts: 66 Deckhand
    holding up a 10 pound goliath for a picture is way different than flopping a 300 pounder on the deck.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 Officer
    Not to the FWC.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • offshore22offshore22 Posts: 67 Deckhand
    This is for the folks in here that are a bit concerned with the way this fish was handled. First, I love this sport and have been involved in it since I was in my fathers testicles.
    Second, I respect and practice catch and release of all endangered species. OK, now the story behind the catch, Fish was hooked and brought up for a quick picture, immediately put back in the water until it recovered and swam away effectively to avoid a possible attack from another predator. Of course I would have loved a juicy grilled grouper sandwich along with a nice cold beer, but we gotta respect the enforcement. There you guys, hopefully this will help ease your mind. :fishing
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 Officer
    offshore22 wrote: »
    For the ones with hurt feelings!

    The only one who stands to be hurt in any way by any of this isn't everyone.

    We didn't post it. And we aren't rationalizing it and I'd guess that most of us really don't give a rat'sass what you do. But we aren't the ones risking getting a phone call from state law enforcement for a hero shot of a fish they tell us not to take pictures of ourselves holding.

    Good luck testing the system.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • mattydmattyd Posts: 22 Greenhorn
    So here's how to get around it: Next time, leave the hook(s) in his mouth while taking the picture. Then remove the hooks and release the fish. Also, ask the photographer to make it a candid and/or action shot so that you can't be accused of "posing for pictures with goliaths."

    Leave the big ones in the water for the sake of their lives and your back. If you want a snapshot with a baby, just follow the above and you should be able to beat any rap.
  • Ross BagleyRoss Bagley Posts: 77 Deckhand
    How about just not posting the pic on a site monitored by the feds.
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 Officer
    How about just not posting the pic on a site monitored by the feds.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • BinderBinder Posts: 3,855 Captain
    I can't believe he still hasn't taken the picture down. Somebody needs to PM him.
  • In Too DeepIn Too Deep Posts: 124 Officer
    I wouldn't wany my picture on the WWW holding one of those.

    That little guy would sure taste good blackened!
  • FinfinderFinfinder Posts: 9,515 Admiral
    say here is a simialr pic of a Goliath caught and released in 2001
  • offshore22offshore22 Posts: 67 Deckhand
    The only one who stands to be hurt in any way by any of this isn't everyone.

    We didn't post it. And we aren't rationalizing it and I'd guess that most of us really don't give a rat'sass what you do. But we aren't the ones risking getting a phone call from state law enforcement for a hero shot of a fish they tell us not to take pictures of ourselves holding.

    Good luck testing the system.

    Alright so if you dont't give a rat'sass about what I do then mind your own **** business and harass other threads of people actually killing / taking illegal s#it home. Just doing a little fishing and enjoying myself in SW Florida without harming the enviroment. Thats all folks, and I took down the pics in case there are any rats in here tryin harm a family man just wanting to do some fishin :)
  • Gary S. ColecchioGary S. Colecchio Posts: 24,922 Officer
    Harass? Rats? :Grin

    FWC, local and federal law enforcement monitor this site on a daily basis to justify their internet time and make cases or provide "eductional" information to members, just like the memo indicates.

    It isn't my fault that you, knowing what you obviously do about the FWC's dislike of posting photos of protected species, testing that and then rationalizing it as something else, then calling yourself my victim and a "family man" as a defense.

    Your decision to test FWC was your own decision, not mine.

    If you are offended by me posting the guidance memorandum or have any other objection to my behavior, I invite you to contact the site administrator [email protected]; the publisher, [email protected] or the FWC http://legacy.myfwc.com/wildlifealert/ViolationRPT.asp?region=FWSE for clarification of their or the site policy.
    "If I can't win, I won't play." - Doris Colecchio.

    "Well Gary, the easiest way to look tall is to stand in a room full of short people." - Curtis Bostick

    "All these forums, with barely any activity, are like a neglected old cemetery that no one visits anymore."- anonymouse
  • BRosinusBRosinus Posts: 36 Deckhand
    How about just not posting the pic on a site monitored by the feds.
    There's an idea!
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  • redfish22redfish22 Posts: 1 Greenhorn
    Gary S., thanks to you this guy probably wont post his next fishin trip on here. You got to chill out. I didnt know this forum was all about trying to one up the next guy. Just tell the guy what he did wrong and move on.
    He obviously was just proud of his catch.
  • Ross BagleyRoss Bagley Posts: 77 Deckhand
    redfish22 wrote: »
    Gary S., thanks to you this guy probably wont post his next fishin trip on here. You got to chill out. I didnt know this forum was all about trying to one up the next guy. Just tell the guy what he did wrong and move on.
    He obviously was just proud of his catch.

    Thanks to Gary and a few others on here this guy is probably not going to get a call from FWC. He was told posting that pic could get him in trouble but he decided to try and justify it and be a smartazz about it. If he does not post again oh well if he does I'm sure he will not be holding a jew up for a glamour shot.

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