DEP,FWC and water management

Bad news..I found out this week DEP,FWC and water management just bought a giant piece of land east of Natural Bridge. It borders from the Natural Bridge state park to hwy 59 and from natural bridge road to tram road. Horne springs being in about the middle I guess. I used to go there to swim until it was leased. Anyway, looks like no more hunting anything there. Anytime DEP buys land, that's it, the hunting and fishing is over. that sucks! I used to hunt and fish the st. marks river between hwy 27 and tram road and south of tram road. DEP got that a few years back and closed it to hunting and fishing. That sucks. I guess in a way its good that it doesn't get sold to developers but sucks no one can hunt and fish on it anymore.

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  • micci_manmicci_man Somewhere in FLPosts: 11,796 AG
    They bought it from the Mormon's per a guy at work. He lost his 3,000ac hunting lease because of this. Their section had Sally Branch, St Marks and another water way on it. Beautiful river swamp woods....
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  • ferris1248ferris1248 North GeorgiaPosts: 13,578 Moderator
    The Mormons are starting some big-time cattle operations on former St Joe Paper land. This must of been surplus or unusable for their purposes. Either that or a tax write off.
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  • CMBCMB Posts: 46 Deckhand
    I know they own most of Liberty county. That's what I heard...
  • micci_manmicci_man Somewhere in FLPosts: 11,796 AG
    It's at least a 12k section of contiguous land is what I was told.
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  • SloughSlough S.w. Ga./ St. JamesPosts: 3,209 Captain
    ferris1248 wrote: »
    The Mormons are starting some big-time cattle operations on former St Joe Paper land. This must of been surplus or unusable for their purposes. Either that or a tax write off.

    Talk of state buying the Franklin Co. Mormon land that was St Joe also.
  • eddiejoeeddiejoe Posts: 586 Officer
    CMB wrote: »
    Bad news..I found out this week DEP,FWC and water management just bought a giant piece of land east of Natural Bridge. It borders from the Natural Bridge state park to hwy 59 and from natural bridge road to tram road. Horne springs being in about the middle I guess. I used to go there to swim until it was leased. Anyway, looks like no more hunting anything there. Anytime DEP buys land, that's it, the hunting and fishing is over. that sucks! I used to hunt and fish the st. marks river between hwy 27 and tram road and south of tram road. DEP got that a few years back and closed it to hunting and fishing. That sucks. I guess in a way its good that it doesn't get sold to developers but sucks no one can hunt and fish on it anymore.


    If it is added to the park then hunting could be shut down, eventually. However, much of what DEP buys for conservation purposes gets managed by the FWC and/or Forestry, and is open to hunting.

    In fact, even under Recreation and Parks lead management, a lot of property gets multiple use, like hunting. I used to be in charge of those programs back in the day.

    I don't know what is intended for this parcel, but you can easily find out by calling Hank Vinson at 850-245-2713. He will know.

    EJ


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  • ferris1248ferris1248 North GeorgiaPosts: 13,578 Moderator
    Thanks EJ.
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  • RedhunterRedhunter Posts: 432 Deckhand
    The deal is not final to date. The acreage has to be within 1% of the what they are claiming on the acreage that was for sale. It was supposed to be 11,000 Ac. FDEP will see if it fly's after the boundary survey is completed.

    As far as the Mormon's (Deseret Ranches) goes. They purchased roughly 400,000 acres from St. Joe. This being most of what St. Joe had in Franklin, Gulf and surrounding counties. St. Joe retained most of the lands within 1 mile of the coastline and a few other specific areas, so they can develop in the future. Not sure what Deseret is going to do with many of the smaller tracts that are scattered about.

    Deseret has owned and still does about 375,000 ac. in Eastern Orange, Osceola and Western Brevard County for as long as I can remember. If they do like they have done down state, it will be all agriculture with no development pending for quite a long time. It is amazing to ride SR 22 between Panama City and Wewa to see what they have already done. I have heard they are creating their headquarters, at least for West of the River on Jarrett Daniels Road, between CR 386 and SR 22. I would think they may be doing something over around St. Teresa for that big chunk.
  • ANUMBER1ANUMBER1 Posts: 8,205 Admiral
    I am glad to only be a bird hunter with bird dogs...being a shooter or dog handler or whatever other niche exists to separate appears to generate far too much about which to worry.
  • RedhunterRedhunter Posts: 432 Deckhand
    Yea, I knew Deseret created an 80 yrs DRI on about 25,000 acres along the old Beeline. Figured something else was going to come but did not expect to see almost a third of their land for development. That will make a huge change for that whole area. Thank God I got out of there when I did.
  • omegafooomegafoo Posts: 3,084 Captain
    I heard about this a few weeks back, or read it in the news - can't remember.

    I assume it will be very similar to what was purchased north of Tram Road along the St. Mark's River corridor. In that case they opened it up to non-consumptive public use (biking, hiking, horseback riding, etc.) but have kept it closed to consumptive use (hunting). I'm not sure where they stand on fishing but expect it may be open to the public. Honestly, after I found out they were hard set on non-consumptive use only I quit paying attention.

    I, from an outdoors standpoint, see this as a bad thing since the consumptive users tend to be the only ones paying for their individual use vs. most (no all!) non-consumptive users that do not have to pay for their use of the land.

    I'm not trying to start an argument - just my speculation on what they are/are not going to do.
  • dewyafishdewyafish Posts: 4,923 Captain
    ^^^^YEP^^^^
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  • stc1993stc1993 Albany, GA Carrabelle, FLPosts: 4,218 Captain
    I wonder since it's Mormon owned is it tax exempt? That would be a shame for these poorer counties.
  • RedhunterRedhunter Posts: 432 Deckhand
    My understanding is yes on taxes.

    Foo, I believe you are on target with that statement.

    Sources tell me we may be seeing more of this. Not necessarily from Deseret but the timber owners. Remember the constitutional amendment that was passed about 4 yrs ago.

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  • RedhunterRedhunter Posts: 432 Deckhand
    Yes they pay

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