Signing day

2

Replies

  • BibBib Posts: 2,356 Captain
    I heard a blurb on the radio and catch the whole thing supposedly some kid flipped Bama to Florida? Anyone know who he was or what his stats are?
  • BibBib Posts: 2,356 Captain
    Yeah, I was kind predicting they would jump us.
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    Hard to outclass the NC. Kids want a ring.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. --- Lord Chesterfield
  • SeminolekenSeminoleken Posts: 3,489 Officer
    Flash wrote: »
    Hard to outclass the NC. Kids want a ring.

    Getting crazy in Tuscaloosa though.
    2012-09-01_19-51-23_295copy.jpgr8yvdx-1-1.jpg
  • Larry MacLarry Mac Posts: 5,453 Admiral
    Very good class for the Gators. Addressed most needs. It was sort of like opening all your great presents on Christmas Eve and not having anything for Christmas Day. Anticlimactic .
    Biggest loss for the Gators was not getting the Juco QB. Needed him because I don't think Driskell is the man.
    Hope I am wrong.
  • peariverpeariver Posts: 855 Officer
    Bib wrote: »
    I heard a blurb on the radio and catch the whole thing supposedly some kid flipped Bama to Florida? Anyone know who he was or what his stats are?


    No clue, Bama only had one recruit to defect this year (DeMarcus Walker) who chose FSU to be closer to his mom in Jacksonville.

    Florida did pick up Jarran Reed a Juco Defensive Lineman who we had asked to hold off on committing until we knew where Eddie Vanderdoes 5* DL from California was signed. Reed chose not to wait and signed with Florida. Vanderdoes chose Notre Dame. We only had one spot left for one of the two, that spot remains vacant but we still landed what some are calling the best class Saban has ever recruited at Alabama.
  • peariverpeariver Posts: 855 Officer
    1. Ole Miss is up to some shady stuff.

    NO DOUBT... Ole Mi$$, the new Aubrun...
  • peariverpeariver Posts: 855 Officer
    I found the following interesting in regards to 247 top 10 recruits by state

    Florida
    Laremy Tunsil Ole Miss
    Vernon Hargreaves III Florida
    Derrick Henry Alabama
    Matthew Thomas FSU
    Alex Collins Arkansas
    Kelvin Taylor Florida
    MacKensie Alexander Clemson
    DeMarcus Walker FSU
    Ryan Green FSU
    Leon McQuay III USC

    Georgia
    Robert Nkemdiche Ole Miss
    Montravious Adams Auburn
    Carl Lawson Auburn
    Vonn Bell Ohio State
    Brice Ramsey Georgia
    Tyren Jones Alabama
    Alvin Kamara Alabama
    Kelsey Griffin South Carolina
    Tray Matthews Georgia
    Joshua Dobbs Tennessee

    Alabama
    Reuben Foster Alabama
    OJ Howard Alabama
    Grant Hill Alabama
    Darius Paige Alabama
    ArDarius Stewart Alabama
    Jason Smith Auburn
    Dee Liner Alabama
    Austin Golson Ole Miss
    Jonathan Cook Alabama
    Zach Cunningham Vanderbilt
  • Security LeakSecurity Leak Posts: 838 Officer
    It appears Alex Collins has signed his letter of intent BUT his mom did not sign it. His father did. Momma has hired the Johnny Cochran Law Firm to try to have the signing voided and him go to The U. Not sure what the grounds would be. The only thing I can think of is since she is a single mom she may be the legal guardian of him which may void his fathers signature on the offer. Then I later heard that Collins was not living with either of them so who knows. This is the strangest signing day saga I have ever heard of.
  • TumbleweedTomTumbleweedTom Posts: 1,987 Officer
    Bib wrote: »
    I heard a blurb on the radio and catch the whole thing supposedly some kid flipped Bama to Florida? Anyone know who he was or what his stats are?

    DT, Jay-nard Bostwick. Not sure if he had committed to 'Bama, but was thought to be in their fold.

    http://recruits.gatorsports.com/player/393/jay-nard-bostwick/


    Also, the JUCO Defensive Tackle from Miss., Jarran Reed. Not sure he had committed either.

    'The second addition of the day was Jarran Reed, who is from the same junior college as UF defensive tackles Darious Cummings and Damien Jacobs.

    But they weren't the people who led him to Gainesville.

    “It came down to the coaches and where I felt more comfortable at,” said Reed, who chose Florida over Alabama. “They recruited me the longest and made me feel at home on my visit.”

    "
    "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Tom Waits.
  • Salty GatorSalty Gator Posts: 1,802 Captain
    Hey Pea - Bama sure signed a great class but what are they going to do with 4 of the top 10 RBs in the nation. There's only 1 rock to carry and at least 2 of them will be left out.
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    Hey Pea - Bama sure signed a great class but what are they going to do with 4 of the top 10 RBs in the nation. There's only 1 rock to carry and at least 2 of them will be left out.

    Yep, but it keeps the other schools from getting them.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. --- Lord Chesterfield
  • peariverpeariver Posts: 855 Officer
    DT, Jay-nard Bostwick. Not sure if he had committed to 'Bama, but was thought to be in their fold.

    http://recruits.gatorsports.com/player/393/jay-nard-bostwick/


    Also, the JUCO Defensive Tackle from Miss., Jarran Reed. Not sure he had committed either.

    'The second addition of the day was Jarran Reed, who is from the same junior college as UF defensive tackles Darious Cummings and Damien Jacobs.

    But they weren't the people who led him to Gainesville.

    “It came down to the coaches and where I felt more comfortable at,” said Reed, who chose Florida over Alabama. “They recruited me the longest and made me feel at home on my visit.”

    "
    .

    We were recruiting Jay-nard Bostwick at one time but when A'Shawn Robinson and Eddie Vanderdoes opened up their recruitment to us we went in that direction.
  • peariverpeariver Posts: 855 Officer
    Hey Pea - Bama sure signed a great class but what are they going to do with 4 of the top 10 RBs in the nation. There's only 1 rock to carry and at least 2 of them will be left out.

    I have been asking myself the same question but we had several injuries at that position last year in Dee Hart and Jaston Folwer. Also, Eddie Lacy moved on to the NFL. Not sure if the other two will ever recover to 100%.

    One of the four will be a slot receiver, Alvin Kamara. Saban said in his press conference yesterday when this was addressed that he prefers a three back rotation and looking back that is true. You guys who are not Bama fans probably never even heard of Eddie Lacy until last year but he was in a minor role in the rotation the year Mark Ingram won the Heisman. My guess next year we will see a three man rotation but until Jaston Fowler got hurt in the Michigan game we did have some plays in that game with a two back set. After his injury that went away. My guess is we may see a different backfield formation as well featuring two backs.
  • SeminolekenSeminoleken Posts: 3,489 Officer
    Read somewhere last night that Bama has got to "cut" I think it was 14 players to make room.

    It was on one of the message boards so it could be complete bs but Pea, you hearing any numbers like that?
    2012-09-01_19-51-23_295copy.jpgr8yvdx-1-1.jpg
  • on_the_rockson_the_rocks Posts: 7,897 Admiral
    Flash wrote: »
    Yep, but it keeps the other schools from getting them.

    Until they transfer from lack of playing time... come on
  • SeminolekenSeminoleken Posts: 3,489 Officer
    DuPont wrote: »
    Until they transfer from lack of playing time... come on

    To a Div 2 school.
    2012-09-01_19-51-23_295copy.jpgr8yvdx-1-1.jpg
  • Security LeakSecurity Leak Posts: 838 Officer
    Read somewhere last night that Bama has got to "cut" I think it was 14 players to make room.

    It was on one of the message boards so it could be complete bs but Pea, you hearing any numbers like that?

    You don't have to "cut" anyone. Scholarships are one year renewable. Every scholarship has to be renewed by the schools each year. No player is given a 4 or 5 year scholarship.
  • Security LeakSecurity Leak Posts: 838 Officer
    To a Div 2 school.

    They can transfer to a D1. They just can't play for a year.
  • on_the_rockson_the_rocks Posts: 7,897 Admiral
    Flash wrote: »
    Yep, but it keeps the other schools from getting them.
    DuPont wrote: »
    Until they transfer from lack of playing time... come on
    To a Div 2 school.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1163740-alabama-football-breaking-down-impact-of-phillip-sims-transfer

    I love when you walk face first into a wall…
    Yes players with less talent commit to their “dream” schools only to find out they do not have a snowball’s chance in hell of seeing the field so they transfer to D2 schools. My previous comment was direct at the insinuation that getting these kids to commit will keep them from other quality schools. If you have read the link you will see that both of you could not be more wrong. Quality kids find quality schools (even if it is 2 years after “Signing Day”).

    http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/phillip_sims_827050.html
  • on_the_rockson_the_rocks Posts: 7,897 Admiral
    Ken... I know you would like another example so here ya go…
    http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robert_marve_443370.html
    Let me know if you would like 1000 more... (I am kidding... we don't all have your type of time):cool:
  • SeminolekenSeminoleken Posts: 3,489 Officer
    You don't have to "cut" anyone. Scholarships are one year renewable.

    So you keep 'em or you "cut" 'em yeah?
    2012-09-01_19-51-23_295copy.jpgr8yvdx-1-1.jpg
  • SeminolekenSeminoleken Posts: 3,489 Officer
    DuPont wrote: »
    Ken... I know you would like another example so here ya go…
    http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/robert_marve_443370.html
    Let me know if you would like 1000 more... (I am kidding... we don't all have your type of time):cool:

    You want 1000 examples of D1 students who transfered to D2 schools to skip the 1 year sit out rule? :cool:
    2012-09-01_19-51-23_295copy.jpgr8yvdx-1-1.jpg
  • on_the_rockson_the_rocks Posts: 7,897 Admiral
    You want 1000 examples of D1 students who transfered to D2 schools to skip the 1 year sit out rule? :cool:

    Yes I would.... this will be good... I bet you have been working on the list for over an hour.

    You are still missing the point. Quality athletes will MAKE it to quality teams… even if they go to a D2 school for a year so they don’t have to “sit” a year they transfer back to D1. See Cam Newton…
    Sayin…
  • TumbleweedTomTumbleweedTom Posts: 1,987 Officer
    Can't say I totally agree with either of you.
    It's simply part of the process kids go through in college football today.
    In recruiting, it's 'stack um' up, sort them out'.
    Some do it for the coaches by doing dumb/criminal things. The ones' in this category who are upperclassmen and want to move on to the NFL (and are capable of it) will frequently choose the D2 path so they fini$h sooner and become earners.

    Does Saban do this anymore than other coaches? For example, Les Miles at LSU?
    Probably not. The great programs/coaches just have more opportunity.
    "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." Tom Waits.
  • Security LeakSecurity Leak Posts: 838 Officer
    So you keep 'em or you "cut" 'em yeah?
    You can't cut someone who is not on scholarship.
  • Security LeakSecurity Leak Posts: 838 Officer
    You want 1000 examples of D1 students who transfered to D2 schools to skip the 1 year sit out rule? :cool:

    They can but they don't have to. They can go to a D1 school and sit out a year.
  • Security LeakSecurity Leak Posts: 838 Officer
    Can't say I totally agree with either of you.
    It's simply part of the process kids go through in college football today.
    In recruiting, it's 'stack um' up, sort them out'.
    Some do it for the coaches by doing dumb/criminal things. The ones' in this category who are upperclassmen and want to move on to the NFL (and are capable of it) will frequently choose the D1 path so they fini$h sooner and become earners.

    Does Saban do this anymore than other coaches? For example, Les Miles at LSU?
    Probably not. The great programs/coaches just have more opportunity.

    The SEC has been notorius for over signing players. Alabama and LSU were regarded to do it the most. There are several ways to get around the over signings. This article explains it pretty well.

    Over-signing.

    Grey-shirting.

    They aren't words that are regularly used outside of recruiting. Most people have no idea what they actually mean.

    The two go hand in hand, and are quickly becoming a very important aspect of college football recruiting.

    Here are a couple quick definitions:

    Over-signing: The practice of signing more than the NCAA allotted 25 recruits in a particular class.

    Grey-shirting: A player that commits to a team and then pays his own way through school for a semester to preserve his eligibility.

    With each passing year, more and more teams over-sign prospects. The reason for over-signing varies from team to team, but the fact remains that it is becoming more common place.

    In 2006, 33 teams signed more than their allotment of 25 prospects. In 2007, the number of teams that over-signed jumped to 39. In 2008, 30 teams over-signed. Even before National Signing Day, 14 teams have more than 25 commits, and the number will only grow over the next two weeks.

    If you aren't familiar with over-signing now, you will be over the next several years.

    Over-signing:

    Football teams are only permitted to enroll 25 scholarship athletes per calendar year and can only have 85 scholarship players on their team at any given time. This doesn't stop teams from signing more than their allotment of players.

    Teams over-sign for a variety of reasons. Some players will not qualify academically and will never step foot onto campus. Some coaches were not able to sign 25 prospects the year before and are trying to make up for it. Other schools are trying to add depth to their teams in years where there is a large number of quality recruits.

    Regardless of reason, here is how oversigning works:

    1.A team must sign less than its allotment of 25 scholarship players the year before.
    2.Extra players must enroll in December, prior to National Signing Day, and be on campus for the Spring semester.
    or

    1.Any team that exceeds the maximum 25 scholarships, must have additional players grey shirt.
    Over-signing allows teams to build depth. It also allows schools to prepare for potential academic casualties. It is a practice that has been around, particularly in Southern schools, for years. It will not be going away any time soon.

    These additional players do indirectly affect a team's recruiting class ranking. While not all players are counted toward the ranking, the weaker prospects are hidden by the stronger ones. This can give an inaccurate representation of the overall quality of a class.

    Even teams that are not oversigned encourage players to enroll early if their are scholarships available.

    Not only does it give those players the opportunity to get a head start on the system, conditioning, college experience, but any player that enrolls in December will not count towards a teams 25 annual scholarships. Technically, scholarships for early entries belong to the previous year's class.

    This allows teams to get a maximum on how many players they can over-sign the next year.

    Grey-shirting:

    While most people are familiar with the phrase "red-shirt" most people have no idea what a grey-shirt is. In fact, the NCAA does not even acknowledge the term. In a way, grey-shirting is like the U.S. Army's Delta Force—everyone knows it's their, but the governing body doesn't acknowledge it's existance.

    Here is how grey-shirting works:

    1.A player commits to a team that is over-signed.
    2.That player either doesn't go to school in the fall, or enrolls part-time and pays their own way. They are not officially on the team.
    3.In January of the following year, that player enrolls full-time and officially joins the team. They are technically part of the recruiting class for the following year.
    Grey-shirting is a way for schools to skate around the recruiting rules. It allows schools to over-sign, regardless of how many prospects they signed the previous year.

    Every player has a five year window to play four seasons. That window starts the second a player is enrolled in college full-time or are on scholarship. Since the player is not enrolled full time and is not on scholarship, their "NCAA clock" has not started.

    Once they join a team, they still have the full five year window and the ability to red-shirt if they so choose.

    While grey-shirting, players are not on the team.

    They can not practice or condition with the team. They can not be given any advantage not extended to the normal student body. Grey-shirts are not allowed at team meetings or functions either. For all intents they are essentially, regular students.

    Conclusion:

    These are important things to consider as far as a team's future is concerned. Large classes can sway the rankings, but they may be able to create additional, unplanned depth. When looking at your favorite team's recruiting class ranking, it is important to factor these things in.
  • Larry MacLarry Mac Posts: 5,453 Admiral
    I read somewhere that D. Henry may be utilized as an H back/ TE at Bama
  • sailfish2sailfish2 Posts: 4,126 Captain
    Pushing the limits, who da thunk?

    The road to the top is paved with whatever you have to do........

    They all do it, we enjoy it.
    Hoping for better luck next time......
2

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file