Morning of Reds and a MONSTER Trout

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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 18,423 AG
    DuPont wrote: »
    I am guilty as well; if you look back at my old posts I have posted a pic hanging a stud from grips and would still be doing to this day without the advice of someone much smarter than me,

    I'm only a little smarter....but alot older....:rotflmao
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  • shallowminded22shallowminded22 Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    DuPont wrote: »
    I am guilty as well; if you look back at my old posts I have posted a pic hanging a stud from grips and would still be doing to this day without the advice of someone much smarter than me,

    I appreciate the response and like I said, no intentions to stir up trouble. Trust me I cringe when I see guys take pictures with a fish hanging from a boga and that's why we really never do it, and in this case did it as quick as humanly possible and only to weigh it before putting the hand back under the belly to properly support the fish. I just think the forums would be much better if people pointed out the good of each report and kept things that bug them to themselves. I'm not directing that at you but just to everybody in general. And trust me it's not just on this forum, it's prevalent in all of them. I just hate seeing good resources like this diminish because of things that can be simply fixed.

    I know we are young and some might think we don't know what we're doing, but my buddy and I are both not only skilled anglers, but are both very educated and know the harms of handling a fish improperly, hence why we rarely ever weigh a fish. All in all, like I said, I love learning new things and that's what every day is about. Tight lines and if you ever see us on the water feel free to come say hello, we're rather friendly guys.
    Fishing to me is not just about the catch, it's about the lifestyle as a whole...
  • SizuperSizuper Posts: 290 Deckhand
    Could you please hold the fish further away from your body. ;)
  • O.SEA.DO.SEA.D Posts: 646 Officer
    What's the harm in educating folks on proper fish handling skills? I'll be honest and say I grew up holding big ole reds the wrong way cause my dad used to do it that way.

    Because of this forum and other resources I've learned the proper way to hold fish I plan on releasing and quite honestly I try to keep them in the water as much as possible.

    People who whine about getting heat for not handling fish the right way can go pound sand IMHO.
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  • BMargioBMargio Posts: 96 Deckhand
    O.SEA.D wrote: »
    What's the harm in educating folks on proper fish handling skills? I'll be honest and say I grew up holding big ole reds the wrong way cause my dad used to do it that way.

    Because of this forum and other resources I've learned the proper way to hold fish I plan on releasing and quite honestly I try to keep them in the water as much as possible.

    People who whine about getting heat for not handling fish the right way can go pound sand IMHO.

    I don't understand where all this is coming from? I though there were only two guys on the boat, not all of you, and if they weighed it real fast and put it back in the water then what is the harm? So how does everyone on this forum know exactly what happened out there? Now we all know it isn't the best to hang a fish but for a once in a lifetime catch to do something rather quickly and get it into the water so it can swim off strongly isn't a big deal to me. We have a larger problem of people keeping too many, out of slot, oversize, and undersize fish than with weighing of huge catches. I think everyone here draws too many conclusions. I see way more posters on here than people actually catching fish so it seems to be jealousy to me. Get to know the anglers you bash before you start to type. BTW the only one whining on here were the folks who didn't catch the fish.
  • shallowminded22shallowminded22 Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    O.SEA.D wrote: »
    What's the harm in educating folks on proper fish handling skills? I'll be honest and say I grew up holding big ole reds the wrong way cause my dad used to do it that way.

    Because of this forum and other resources I've learned the proper way to hold fish I plan on releasing and quite honestly I try to keep them in the water as much as possible.

    People who whine about getting heat for not handling fish the right way can go pound sand IMHO.

    Never said there was any harm in learning, actually I said that I thoroughly enjoy learning. Just didn't learn anything I didn't already know here. You obviously didn't read everything I wrote, because if you did you would've realized we are very aware of proper handling techniques. In all honesty, people say you shouldn't weigh a fish of this size because it is harmful, but yet it's ok to handle smaller fish improperly and no one cares? Shouldn't the smaller fish be the ones that should have even more attention to handling them well to allow them to one day be this size? I'd rather weigh a large fish like this than go out and keep my limit of trout close to 20" which could've been released to grow up to this size. But you don't see anybody telling them to throw back their catch!
    Fishing to me is not just about the catch, it's about the lifestyle as a whole...
  • shallowminded22shallowminded22 Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    BMargio wrote: »
    I don't understand where all this is coming from? I though there were only two guys on the boat, not all of you, and if they weighed it real fast and put it back in the water then what is the harm? So how does everyone on this forum know exactly what happened out there? Now we all know it isn't the best to hang a fish but for a once in a lifetime catch to do something rather quickly and get it into the water so it can swim off strongly isn't a big deal to me. We have a larger problem of people keeping too many, out of slot, oversize, and undersize fish than with weighing of huge catches. I think everyone here draws too many conclusions. I see way more posters on here than people actually catching fish so it seems to be jealousy to me. Get to know the anglers you bash before you start to type. BTW the only one whining on here were the folks who didn't catch the fish.

    Couldn't agree more Margio. I'd much rather see some more posts of pics with great fish in them, minus the negative comments. Is that too much to ask for?

    Either way, I'll keep catching my fish, handling them properly, and will be more than happy to share them with everyone! In hopes that it will get others out on the water to do it too!
    Fishing to me is not just about the catch, it's about the lifestyle as a whole...
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 18,423 AG
    Well, I did send you a pm and would have told you privately.....and since you *said* you want to learn ....Here it is.
    Look at your right hand placement in pictures 2 3 and 4 ( right behind the pectorals)....look at the amount of upward pressure you are applying (weight of the fish) to the heart area in addition to the swim bladder and other internals. With a fish this size you are actually better to have your hand closer to the mouth (under the gill area*but not inside*) since it has more muscle and bone and she cannot breath out of the water anyway.

    The best way is what I call " The Wickstrom" for FS founder Karl Wickstrom who was commenting on FS T.V. on release technique ...and it is best is to not remove a large fish from the water...and I've been doing it that way for a while now and it is actually harder to do and I've had some "mishaps" learning the best way with broken leaders and hooks in my fingers (thank God for pinched down barbs).

    As far as keeping a limit of slot fish...conservation (spawning potential) wise...a limit of slot trout removed is infinately better than one true big breeder since as a % few ever make that size...and a female of that size is definately over 8 years old (probaly 10 or more) and produces well in excess of 1 million eggs per cycle where a 4 year old female( 15 inches) only produces about 15,000 eggs.
    Another thing to take into account is water temperature. A trout that fights hard will have a big Lactic acid build up that can be very detrimental...coupled with low disolved O2(warm water) and fish handling stress...It can have a fish swim off what you think is strong...only to succomb or be easy prey for a porpoise later.
    So, taking into account the low number of trout that make that size and the spawning potential differences....keep small trout to eat and release the big girls boatside....if you want to see the best chance at abundant fisheries....and don't we all want that? :)

    PS...yes, I know I wasted alot of time reading up on this subject.
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    Knots to be unraveled
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  • shallowminded22shallowminded22 Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    duckmanJR wrote: »
    Well, I did send you a pm and would have told you privately.....and since you *said* you want to learn ....Here it is.
    Look at your right hand placement in pictures 2 3 and 4 ( right behind the pectorals)....look at the amount of upward pressure you are applying (weight of the fish) to the heart area in addition to the swim bladder and other internals. With a fish this size you are actually better to have your hand closer to the mouth (under the gill area*but not inside*) since it has more muscle and bone and she cannot breath out of the water anyway.

    The best way is what I call " The Wickstrom" for FS founder Karl Wickstrom who was commenting on FS T.V. on release technique ...and it is best is to not remove a large fish from the water...and I've been doing it that way for a while now and it is actually harder to do and I've had some "mishaps" learning the best way with broken leaders and hooks in my fingers (thank God for pinched down barbs).

    As far as keeping a limit of slot fish...conservation (spawning potential) wise...a limit of slot trout removed is infinately better than one true big breeder since as a % few ever make that size...and a female of that size is definately over 8 years old (probaly 10 or more) and produces well in excess of 1 million eggs per cycle where a 4 year old female( 15 inches) only produces about 15,000 eggs.
    Another thing to take into account is water temperature. A trout that fights hard will have a big Lactic acid build up that can be very detrimental...coupled with low disolved O2(warm water) and fish handling stress...It can have a fish swim off what you think is strong...only to succomb or be easy prey for a porpoise later.
    So, taking into account the low number of trout that make that size and the spawning potential differences....keep small trout to eat and release the big girls boatside....if you want to see the best chance at abundant fisheries....and don't we all want that? :)

    PS...yes, I know I wasted alot of time reading up on this subject.

    I've actually been meaning to PM you back but hadn't had the chance yet, but I'm glad you responded on here so everyone can get that lesson, and not just myself. I appreciate all the advice and will be sure to put it to good use. Tight lines.
    Fishing to me is not just about the catch, it's about the lifestyle as a whole...
  • slylunaslyluna Posts: 79 Greenhorn
    I am all for conserving our fish populations so that our children have the ability to enjoy the same resources or better ones that we have enjoyed. But, any extreme is bad. It is EXTREMELY annoying to read a great post with a trophy fish and have some extremists bash it or force their "education" down our throats. How many dead oversized redfish and trout has anyone here seen that they can truly say were killed due to improper handling by the angler?? If you guys really want to protect these big fish maybe you should stop fishing and take up bird watching. Every time you make a cast you run the risk of catching a big fish that you may stress out and could end up dying. So STOP fishing!! Kudos to you Shallow for the report and great pics. Also, you are obviously and educated and responsible angler despite what some may think.

    GO NOLES!!!!
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 18,423 AG
    You need not use the information...it was put there for those who wish to use it.

    PS...as far as how many die due to stress....they have also studied that...and I could tell you what the numbers are...but I don't want you to get too much education...you may tell us all to stop fishing again...:rotflmao
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    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 18,423 AG
    I've actually been meaning to PM you back but hadn't had the chance yet, but I'm glad you responded on here so everyone can get that lesson, and not just myself. I appreciate all the advice and will be sure to put it to good use. Tight lines.

    And just so you know....do I think your fish died?... I have no real idea....nobody does.
    What I do know is she had alot better shot at life than the 5 lb fish that I "properly" released yesterday never having taken her out of the water...only to watch a pod of 5 porpoises home in on her.


    And the only lesson we could possibly learn here? Do the best possible job you can for the fish...NAH....

    I better stop fishing...That's the real lesson....:rotflmao
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    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
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  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 18,423 AG
    slyluna wrote: »
    How many dead oversized redfish and trout has anyone here seen that they can truly say were killed due to improper handling by the angler??

    Just one more tiny bit of "education"....Redfish and Trout are Apples and Oranges....Redfish are extreemly durable....Trout are much more delicate.
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    Many things to do.
    Knots to be unraveled
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  • BMargioBMargio Posts: 96 Deckhand
    As far as keeping a limit of slot fish...conservation (spawning potential) wise...a limit of slot trout removed is infinately better than one true big breeder since as a % few ever make that size...and a female of that size is definately over 8 years old (probaly 10 or more) and produces well in excess of 1 million eggs per cycle where a 4 year old female( 15 inches) only produces about 15,000 eggs.
    Another thing to take into account is water temperature. A trout that fights hard will have a big Lactic acid build up that can be very detrimental...coupled with low disolved O2(warm water) and fish handling stress...It can have a fish swim off what you think is strong...only to succomb or be easy prey for a porpoise later.
    So, taking into account the low number of trout that make that size and the spawning potential differences....keep small trout to eat and release the big girls boatside....if you want to see the best chance at abundant fisheries....and don't we all want that? :)

    PS...yes, I know I wasted alot of time reading up on this subject.

    now you're just showing off:grin. I have a question though, for you. I was under the impression that slot redfish and slot seatrout were sexually mature fish and that those fish are capable to breed. Also I have read before that fish years 2-4 are the most abundant and therefore the most productive group and account for over half of the eggs released. I agree that the bigger ones reproduce at an exponentially higher rate but shouldn't we just practice more conservation as a whole. I can see a huge rebound in the seatrout over the past 15 years and I for one would be for smaller limits and not keeping a fish over the slot.
  • shallowminded22shallowminded22 Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    andddddddddddddddd the percentage of possibility that I post again anytime soon slowly diminishes. C'mon guys, somehow a nice fishing report turned into a fish handling seminar. It's sad that a FISHING, I repear FISHING, FORUM can't even stay calm. Now I know why so many great anglers left this site...


    one more time... FISHING FORUM. Y'all are taking all the fun out of FISHING
    Fishing to me is not just about the catch, it's about the lifestyle as a whole...
  • duckmanJRduckmanJR Posts: 18,423 AG
    BMargio wrote: »
    now you're just showing off:grin. I have a question though, for you. I was under the impression that slot redfish and slot seatrout were sexually mature fish and that those fish are capable to breed. Also I have read before that fish years 2-4 are the most abundant and therefore the most productive group and account for over half of the eggs released. I agree that the bigger ones reproduce at an exponentially higher rate but shouldn't we just practice more conservation as a whole. I can see a huge rebound in the seatrout over the past 15 years and I for one would be for smaller limits and not keeping a fish over the slot.

    Hey, I don't write this stuff...I only read it and parrot it back. :wink

    As for the Redfish....the "slot" is set to protect "breeders" since it is thought they reach sexual maturity (in FL) at 26 inches + - ...that is thought to be mid way between year 2 and 3 for growth.
    So, for Redfish your idea would be valid....

    For trout...a 2 year old is only 10 inches....a year 3 fish is approx 12 inches...
    with a year 4 (15) being first to reach "slot".....and a "top slot"(20) trout is nearly 6 years old. The fish larger than slot are thought (by some) to be the most successful breeders due to various factors.

    As far as conservation...On the inshore front I catch enough flounder to not eat anything but them and the occaisional Pompano I catch late winter/early spring.
    I think (just my opinion) that they had it right by allowing a limited take of the less productive (egg production) trout.
    What I don't agree with is the recent relaxation of the commercial...and to a much lesser extent the recreational rules and regs.

    I feel that *ANY* ecosystem is just one catastrophy away from a big collapse....as evidenced by the disappearance of seagrass from over 30 miles of the IR lagoon system.
    We have no way of knowing how this is going to be long term....a missing year class's of inshore fish?...or...a decades worth?
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    Knots to be unraveled
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  • BMargioBMargio Posts: 96 Deckhand
    duckmanJR

    pm sent
  • on_the_rockson_the_rocks Posts: 7,897 Admiral
    :Popcorn
  • cypresscypress Posts: 400 Deckhand
    tight lines
  • whipraynolewhipraynole Posts: 1 Greenhorn
    I'm just going to put a quick end to the nonsense and complete **** I have witnessed on this thread....please refer to below pictures of duckmanjr and his catches...he does VERY good job handling fish and QUICKLY releasing them back into the water.... As previous people have posted, its sad that such a great post and pictures has to get bashed...I smell some jealousy...Enjoy everyone and tight lines!

    Everyone please learn that laying trout on a deck to flop around is a PERFECT fish handling technique!:huh

    Oh and nice oversized Snuke laying on your lap:grin
  • O.SEA.DO.SEA.D Posts: 646 Officer
    looks like we have a new member to the forum :banghead
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  • shallowminded22shallowminded22 Posts: 16 Greenhorn
    O.SEA.D wrote: »
    looks like we have a new member to the forum :banghead

    A. What's wrong with having a new person to the forum? Isn't that what the forum is for?

    B. We'll be fishing again this weekend so keep an eye out for a report and pics to come!
    Fishing to me is not just about the catch, it's about the lifestyle as a whole...
  • ext711ext711 Posts: 31 Deckhand
    Nice fish
  • Docked WagesDocked Wages Posts: 2,676 Admin
    Finally, A postive report with Amazing photos from the Lagoon!

    Well, page one started off positive :wink
    Couldn't agree more Margio. I'd much rather see some more posts of pics with great fish in them, minus the negative comments. Is that too much to ask for?

    Either way, I'll keep catching my fish, handling them properly, and will be more than happy to share them with everyone! In hopes that it will get others out on the water to do it too!

    Thanks for posting and keeping a positive attitude.

    This site is much more enjoyable with postive reports and great pictures. That is a stud trout for sure.

    For all the keyboard activists, we have a politics section for controversial comments :grin
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  • kodiakzachkodiakzach Posts: 6,074 Admiral
    Enough of the d0uch3baggery. That is one helluva killer trout you landed. Screw the jealous **** keyboard activists...

    Tight lines and GO NOLES!!!
  • fishboyfishboy Posts: 1,326 Officer
    Nice trout!!
  • jslim407jslim407 Posts: 19 Greenhorn
    my favorite part is the grizzly can sitting on the deck...
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