Drone captures boat capsizing in Jupiter inlet

People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.

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  • 20psimr20psimr Posts: 28 Greenhorn
    Saw that a few days ago. For me, being a new (saltwater) boater and Jupiter being my home inlet, it definitely had me thinking. I know its a small boat, but why was his bow so low? Coolers full? Water in the boat? I just cant understand how easy that bow speared without something else going on.

    Few times I have came in and it was outgoing and rough, I tried to keep the bow high and ride the back of the wave in front of me. Looks like he was surfing and maybe that pushed his bow down? Scary situation and I hope to never be in, glad he was ok and able to swim out.

    If any of you old schoolers have some knowledge to impart, I would definitely be all ears. Very scary situation.
    Chris
    Everglades 223cc
  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski Posts: 6,743 Admiral
    What looked like to me happened was he was on the bottom of a swell and he throttled back, then the swell took over the transom and pushed it down into the wave in front of him. Article said it doesn't have sound be he throttled back when he crested the wave. Sounds like just inexperience in a very dangerous inlet.
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • ObsessionObsession Posts: 222 Deckhand
    Regardless of decisions and events that lead up to this incident. Just look at how fast it went bad.

    We hear all the time about how fast things can happen on the ocean. In the clip I saw, it only took 15 seconds to crest the top of the wave until it was under water. 15 seconds!

    So my question is HOW FAST can you get your PFD out of your T Bag and put it on? How fast can you attach your kill switch lanyard? How fast can you tell the crew to get their PFD out of the hatch and show them how to put it on? How fast can you reach into the console and find your PLB? How fast can you find where the flares are stored? How fast can you turn on the VHF and get off a May Day with a location?

    When you get disconnected from the boat, you only get to use what your wearing to save yourself.

    Stay Safe,

    Chris
  • BarracudaBarracuda Posts: 758 Officer
    I thought it might be an inexperienced boater but according to people I know they say he is an experienced commercial guy... maybe all the weight in the bow contributed, and from the angle of the video it looks like it could have been avoided but I'm sure if the guy was experienced like they say, it probably wasn't... should have come in PB but once your committed of course, there is no turning around ...unfortunate but at least he was ok...


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  • Soda PopinskiSoda Popinski Posts: 6,743 Admiral
    Yeah, it was posted earlier this week i effed up in reposting it. But things did go from sketchy to life threatening in a couple of heartbeats. In conditions like that I think i'd have everyone in my boat have their pfd on before heading through the inlet. Probably on the way out as well.
    People use statistics the way a drunk uses a street light, for support rather than illumination.
  • Snook69Snook69 Posts: 128 Deckhand
    Looks like he might have still had his trim tabs buried from running in. Wow that sucks
  • JIMinPBJIMinPB Posts: 1,827 Captain
    First problem is having a low freeboard boat in the ocean. Second problem is that the guy came off plane when he needed the added lift. Third, it looks like the boat was a bit heavy. The bilge may have been full of water. That would partially explain why the boat did not continue to float & shed water after taking the water over the bow. There may be more to it than that. I was under the impression that all boats that size were required to be built with level flotation.
  • timmcollinstimmcollins Posts: 791 Officer
    JIMinPB wrote: »
    First problem is having a low freeboard boat in the ocean. Second problem is that the guy came off plane when he needed the added lift. Third, it looks like the boat was a bit heavy. The bilge may have been full of water. That would partially explain why the boat did not continue to float & shed water after taking the water over the bow. There may be more to it than that. I was under the impression that all boats that size were required to be built with level flotation.

    I'm going to agree with Jim. There was too much weight in the bow, if the bilge was full of water it would have moved forward with the down angle. That bow should have not buried like that. Glad the guy is alright.
    It was amazing how a average day can turn shait in a matter of seconds. How many times have we puckered up a little going through that inlet with out the life jacket. Time to rethink the attitude towards the wearing the life jacket. Soda Popinski is on the money.
    "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, martini in one hand, Cheeseburger in the other, body well used and worn out and screaming WOO-HOO What a Ride!"
  • 20psimr20psimr Posts: 28 Greenhorn
    Obsession you nailed it for me. Just realized I have gone through there a few times now with puckered feeling since getting the new boat. One of those times was definitely a no go situation and thankfully I made it out, and was able to turn around and come back. But we didnt have our PFD's on or anything. Made the mistake of following a much bigger boat and thinking it was ok for me too.

    From now on, I will follow that exact mindset. If its not on you, or at least REAL dang close, its not coming with you in an emergency. PFD on when running and going to be buying a ditch bag to keep close. Things like this really make you wake up and realize how fast and loose you can get when you are too comfortable.
    Chris
    Everglades 223cc
  • copperzcopperz Posts: 95 Deckhand
    21ft sea hunt ultra and I came very close to this scenario going through the BBI. I had a passenger in the front who could have touched the water. 4 people total on the boat it was not heavy. I was coming in slow and careful with bow up as much as possible.
    Its crazy to see how fast that went down. Good thing that drone pilot was there so we can all learn from this unfortunate situation.
  • CoastalCatchCoastalCatch Posts: 41 Greenhorn
    He was a commercial guy with a load of kings in the bow.

    'The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.' ~ George Orwell

  • JIMinPBJIMinPB Posts: 1,827 Captain
    Even if he had 1,000# of kings on ice, the boat should still not have went to the bottom the way it did. Fish & ice are pretty close to neutrally buoyant. Boats that size are supposed to be built with level flotation. After the boat swamped from taking the water over the bow, it should have stayed on top & continued to float. That boat must either have waterlogged flotation foam or excess equipment on board. Something made it negatively buoyant.
  • ObsessionObsession Posts: 222 Deckhand
    JIMinPB wrote: »
    Even if he had 1,000# of kings on ice, the boat should still not have went to the bottom the way it did. Fish & ice are pretty close to neutrally buoyant.

    1,000# of any thing is still 1,000#s. Being neutrally buoyant would only have meaning once submerged. At that point there was more than enough water inside the gunnels to keep it under water. In fact the space that was vacated by the floating fish boxes was replace by water instantly.

    Stay Safe,

    Chris
  • Tori'S ToyTori'S Toy Posts: 252 Deckhand
    Jim might of meant something like this:

    https://youtu.be/68AOltMu768

    Even after "submarining", it has buoyancy.
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  • GarysmoGarysmo Posts: 112 Deckhand
    A few people have already mentioned it but it is amazing how fast it went down. I grew up on Lake Erie and Georgian Bay and have seen boating accidents (fires, etc) but never saw one go down that fast. I make my wife wear an inflatable PFD when we go out in the ocean I guess I'll be buying a 2nd one for me.
  • deputyjrp55deputyjrp55 Posts: 22 Greenhorn
    Just use hers :rotflmao
  • ScottRScottR Posts: 976 Officer
    JUP is my home inlet. Ive jogged though there in everything from a 21' to a 65'. Sometimes its no fun. My 'worst' was a 25 center console; totslly flat day, idling out inlet setting up dive gear, look up and here comes a freight train set that I had to floor it and still got stood up on end. And it was a 'nice' day out. Winter is worse... easing a 65 thru 8 foot breakers will keep you on your toes.

    have local knowledge and confidence in your skillset, and if your unsure, dont risk it.

    If I were to arm-chair captain this, my first thought is the boat was overloaded for the conditions, but whatever the case, im glad the captain came out relatively unscathed. It can happen anyhwere anytime. Just a couple days ago I lit out of Ocean City MD delivering a 70 to Florida and with 6-8's on the stern, a 9+ came out of nowwhere and the boat fell off the face faster than I could even react and we went for Mr. Toad's wild ride....

    Stay safe
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    Offshore Fishing/Diving & Charter Services, Bahamas/Caribbean Travel, Deliveries, Maintenance/Refits
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