Canon or Nikon?

Looking to get my first DSLR. Considering Nikon and Canon. The plan is to buy a new body and take advantage of eBay for a used lens or two. I want a 300 or 400mm zoom. My primary mission will be shooting stills of sports and surfing occasionally birds and landscapes. My budget is $1500. Looking to get the most professional results for my money. Thoughts?
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  • PROFINITYPROFINITY Posts: 160 Deckhand
    It's like the old, Tastes Great vs. Less Filling debate. Personally I am a Nikon guy. I have camera bodies and a fair amount of good glass. The direction and speed that technology is going, I am not going to be surprised when a smartphone can take photo and video like high end equipment that is often required (allegedly) today.

    My thoughts are to get the best camera and glass you can if you are looking to make a living with photography. Then there is the school of thought regarding convenience. My stuff takes nice pictures, however, a DSLR is a PIA to lug around.

    I am not making claim the photo below is some fantastic technical work, it's not. It was however taken with, cropped and enlarged with my iPhone. Just sayin.

    IMG_7403.png
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    Can't say there are many "stills" in sports. You will need a camera with a good buffer so you can bang off many shots. Both Nikon and Canon have those cameras. Presently I am using a D500 Nikon, before that the D200. I went with Nikon because their old lenses still work on even their newest cameras.







    I am pretty much retired now, but still plink around at the local High School games. Look forward to using the D500 on our 3 time (in a row) state champs Softball team this season.

    Also, do not discount ReFurbs when it comes to camera bodies. All my cameras have been Refurbs bar the D500 and they have served me quite well. Saves money that can then go towards great glass.
    As to a 300 or 400 mm zoom, you just blew most of your $1500 budget right there.
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  • 1982mako2241982mako224 Posts: 383 Officer
    I was thinking up to $700 for a body and whatever remaining for a pre-owned lens. New but recently discontinued body like the Nikon D7100 perhaps.
  • SwordFightSwordFight Posts: 38 Deckhand
    I shoot with canons. I think it's just like chevy vs fords it's just gonna come down to the options you want and it like. I have a buddy who shoots a Nikon d7100 and gets great images. But i always tease him and tell him they would be that much better if shot with a canon.
  • GSRswapandslowGSRswapandslow Posts: 119 Officer
    had both...several of each, all pro-sumer models
    currently have a D7100....

    honestly, if i did it all over again (i'm sure i will again...this is my 4th DSLR in as many years) I will get a used 5dMK2, 17-40L, 24-70L, and a 70-200 f/2.8L IS.....those would cover 90% of what i shoot.....maybe would spring for a 100-400L plunger...they;re cheap enough and plentiful enough on the used market.
  • SwordFightSwordFight Posts: 38 Deckhand
    PROFINITY wrote: »
    It's like the old, Tastes Great vs. Less Filling debate. Personally I am a Nikon guy. I have camera bodies and a fair amount of good glass. The direction and speed that technology is going, I am not going to be surprised when a smartphone can take photo and video like high end equipment that is often required (allegedly) today.

    My thoughts are to get the best camera and glass you can if you are looking to make a living with photography. Then there is the school of thought regarding convenience. My stuff takes nice pictures, however, a DSLR is a PIA to lug around.

    I am not making claim the photo below is some fantastic technical work, it's not. It was however taken with, cropped and enlarged with my iPhone. Just sayin.

    IMG_7403.png


    Some of my sharks pics are taken with the iphone6s in an underwater housing. I usually always bring it with me but shooting with the 1D s mark II and 7d mark II always produces better photos.
  • GTSRGTSR Posts: 750 Officer
    I buy most everything I have used thru KEH...
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    I was thinking up to $700 for a body and whatever remaining for a pre-owned lens. New but recently discontinued body like the Nikon D7100 perhaps.

    The D7100 is my other Camera and what took the shot above of the gal sliding into second base. BUT the issue with that camera and it was a refurb by the way ( $450 with brand new shutter) is that its buffer is really too small for sports. The D7200 would be much better.
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  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    To show how important the lens is. This was done with a Nikon 80-200 2.8 ED, probably one of their best lenses. The umpire ruined the play at first by entering my frame so I cropped in on the first baseman instead.





    With all the fancy 20 to 24 meg cameras out there, this was shot with my first DSLR, also a refurb, the D50. A 6 meg camera.
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  • JWTJWT Posts: 335 Deckhand
    in that price range you could get a Canon 7D with the 100-400mm push/pull & be ready to roll. not sure what the Nikon options would be. you can't go wrong with either brand really
  • JI SnookJI Snook Posts: 676 Officer
    I have a 7D with 28-135 lens for sale. PM me for price.
  • GTSRGTSR Posts: 750 Officer
    I too have 7D, it is popular because it has 2 processors and therefore burst speed is above average for its price. Paid $650 from mine body only at KEH.
  • 1982mako2241982mako224 Posts: 383 Officer
    JWT wrote: »
    in that price range you could get a Canon 7D with the 100-400mm push/pull & be ready to roll. not sure what the Nikon options would be. you can't go wrong with either brand really

    I have been looking at that exact option. I have seen conflicting reviews on that lens though. There is so much info it is hard to sift through. My biggest concern is being to capture high speed action of surfing which is my main goal.
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    I have been looking at that exact option. I have seen conflicting reviews on that lens though. There is so much info it is hard to sift through. My biggest concern is being to capture high speed action of surfing which is my main goal.

    Well the $$$$ come with the Fast lenses, the 2.8's. Being it will be used mainly in good sunshine, you should be fine with F4-5.6
    Of course getting a camera that will handle high ISO's will help also. Thus the reason I got the D500.





    These were done just before 9 PM (DST) at 6400 ISO
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  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,215 Officer
    I have been looking at that exact option. I have seen conflicting reviews on that lens though. There is so much info it is hard to sift through. My biggest concern is being to capture high speed action of surfing which is my main goal.

    I bought a EF-L 100-400 IS USM used (+EX condition) from KEH about 10 years ago to use with my 40D's...
    it is an excellent lens and bullet proof. I use it in a salt water environment all the time (up to my chest in water, trying not to spook birds).
    it rides in my bay boat all the time and has taken a beating...
    you can't beat the IS and the optics are awesome, and I really mean awesome...
    don't be afraid of the "push-pull", you get used to it quickly...
    now I use it with my 6D...
    I use my sigma 150-600 C on my7D Mk II which allows me to get a lot of reach with the crop sensor....
    The 7D shoots 10fps on high speed and with a real fast card, you'll never overload the buffer....

    tim.......
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  • JWTJWT Posts: 335 Deckhand
    i agree with Tim. the 100-400 is an excellent lens. most of the negative comments i have seen relate to the push/pull design & it "sucking in dust" which i don't buy. no matter how the lens extends it will pull air in & out of a lens. i actually prefer the design over the newer model as it is easier to stay on subject (birds in flight being a good example) when zooming in. there are great deals out there now with the newer model being rolled out last year. i have this combo & it still gets used a lot tho the 7DmkII with the 150-600 is my first grab for most things but the MKII doesn't get boat duty, that is where the 7D lives & its a tough life. in Canon, i don't think there is a better combo for your intended use & price range.........
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,215 Officer
    JW,
    all of my cameras get "boat duty"....
    they do ride in a very cushioned and water tight space (my front live well that has never been used to hold water)...
    both of m 40D's are still clicking away, however my wife uses one, and the other is a back-up if I have a failure with 7D or the 6D...
    do not be afraid...the force is with you....

    tim
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  • bobloreboblore Posts: 5 Greenhorn
    You can take great pictures using both Nikon and Canon. If you want to take better outdoor picture especially related to sports then I think Canon would be a better choice.
  • JWTJWT Posts: 335 Deckhand
    JW,
    all of my cameras get "boat duty"....
    they do ride in a very cushioned and water tight space (my front live well that has never been used to hold water)...
    both of m 40D's are still clicking away, however my wife uses one, and the other is a back-up if I have a failure with 7D or the 6D...
    do not be afraid...the force is with you....

    tim

    i agree - i got them to use them, not to sit on a shelf! the 7D will fit in my boat bag & goes with me most days. i rarely bring the Sigma on the boat. shooting from a boat with that kind of reach is hard to hold steady...... besides- if i am on the boat, photography is rarely the main mission :)
  • NSB PhotogNSB Photog Posts: 474 Deckhand
    Since you mentioned surfing specifically, I'm going to say, what about none of the above?

    I shot surfing for many years, and would agree that you need a reach of 400mm or equivalent, at a minimum. Depending on some breaks, 600mm might be needed.

    If I were doing it all over again, I would seriously consider looking at the Olympus E-M5 Mk II or the E-M1 Mk II. The focus and stabilization performance is outstanding and both cameras are weather sealed, something that would come in very handy for surf photography.

    Pair it up with the 50mm-200mm F2.8-3.5 and you have a 100 to 400mm equivalent fast, hand-holdable lens that you can still reasonably put on a 1.4x extender for longer length.
  • Stetson LawStetson Law Posts: 484 Deckhand
    D7100 and a 70-300 to start.
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,215 Officer
    JW,
    I carry my long teles with me in the boat as i'm always going to end up on an island just to wade fish...
    I often come up on all kinds of surprises when out at our islands, and i'd hate myself if I hadn't brought at least my 100-400 ef-l is...
    by the way, I have shot a lot of very good images from a moving around bay boat with my 100-400....
    the canon IS system is light years ahead of the competition...when you depress the shutter, it's like the image is locked, dead solid...
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  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    JW,
    I carry my long teles with me in the boat as i'm always going to end up on an island just to wade fish...
    I often come up on all kinds of surprises when out at our islands, and i'd hate myself if I hadn't brought at least my 100-400 ef-l is...
    by the way, I have shot a lot of very good images from a moving around bay boat with my 100-400....
    the canon IS system is light years ahead of the competition...when you depress the shutter, it's like the image is locked, dead solid...

    and you need that at your advanced age. :wink
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    Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. --- Lord Chesterfield
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,215 Officer
    Flash wrote: »
    and you need that at your advanced age. :wink

    Indeed I do...
    if you're lucky, you too will come to appreciate IS.....
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  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    Indeed I do...
    if you're lucky, you too will come to appreciate IS.....

    Well still roughing it with no IS and my monopod. Shots from the SB game the other night. Small town lights, D500, 6400 ISO shot in RAW.
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    Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. --- Lord Chesterfield
  • 1982mako2241982mako224 Posts: 383 Officer
    Well I just bought a Canon 7D last night on eBay. Now just have to sort out payPal so I can pay for it. I've always used pre-payed credit cards I get from work to pay for stuff like this. It seems eBay and PayPal make you jump through firey hoops to use them now.
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    Well I just bought a Canon 7D last night on eBay. Now just have to sort out payPal so I can pay for it. I've always used pre-payed credit cards I get from work to pay for stuff like this. It seems eBay and PayPal make you jump through firey hoops to use them now.

    I would think if you have enough $$$ on the card, you should have no issue. All my cameras came off eBay via Paypal.
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    Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. --- Lord Chesterfield
  • 1982mako2241982mako224 Posts: 383 Officer
    No dice. eBay and PayPal wouldn't do it. I'm guessing it was some sort of government BS to prevent people from buying things in a manner they couldn't track. Had plenty of funds on the card but couldn't get it to work despite calling the credit card company, eBay and PayPal. Ended up putting it on my regular card.......the one that my wife sees the bill for. :Bike

    Camera arrived yesterday and it is pristine and only has a little over 2,000 clicks on it. It was a good score. The 100-400 lens I ordered should arrive tomorrow.
  • FlashFlash Posts: 11,024 AG
    The D7100 I got was a refurb after my first one took a bath. Around $495 for just body, but the shutter had been replaced so it was brand spanking new with no shots.
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    Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. --- Lord Chesterfield
  • mississippi macmississippi mac Posts: 4,215 Officer
    Mako,
    you won't be disappointed in the 100-400 IS...
    it is a fantastic piece of glass...
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