The basics of flounder migration

This time of year people are always talking about what part of the river the prized flounder are holding. We hear upper river, lower river, mid river, etc. The thing I would personally like to know more about is the manner in which they migrate. There a tons of guys on this forum that have been fishing the migration since they were little boys, they must have something to share on the subject. I get that the flounder come into the river, do their thing, then move back out. But I'm after a more in depth analysis of the migration. For example, when the flounder enter the river do they go straight to spawning grounds, do their thing then fatten back up before moving out (and we target them during the "fattening" stage). I just think it would be nice to talk about the migration in general rather than they are here, they are not here. My second year doing this so....

And dont worry, if you blow this off im still guna get mine.

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  • Brother DaveBrother Dave Posts: 595 Officer
    They spawn offshore and move out not in. Males migrate first and they rarely get over 14 inches long. Females grow larger and are sexually mature at two or three years and can live to 20. They spawn offshore in the winter. They spend the summer inshore and prefer brackish water for the most part. Not all of them migrate. Some Are resident offshore and some inshore.
  • ChippyDieselChippyDiesel Posts: 457 Officer
    They spawn offshore and move out not in. Males migrate first and they rarely get over 14 inches long. Females grow larger and are sexually mature at two or three years and can live to 20. They spawn offshore in the winter. They spend the summer inshore and prefer brackish water for the most part. Not all of them migrate. Some Are resident offshore and some inshore.

    Thanks Brother Dave, I did not know that. Good info
  • Brother DaveBrother Dave Posts: 595 Officer
    It usually takes about a 4-5 degree water temp drop to get them moving good. Look for them to move after a good nor'easter.
  • BoattronicsBoattronics Posts: 5,071 Admiral
    I feel like im a competant flounder angler.... not a specailist, per say, like some guys that seem to be, but if they are there where I fish I will find them.... at least thats what I like to think. I know what to look for, etc. And man I have scoured the river lately with only a few filets to speak for, after fustrating my self so many times at the gas pump, lol. I know they are upriver. Not sure how far lol, and our river is vast. There are no real numbers that I could find east of the cruise terminal. So ill fish arlington or further upstream next. Maybe this weekend ill get a chance to look, most likely not. So how much will have changed between the two times I got to scout, two weeks apart?

    It would be nice just to have a more general idea of what region to look in. But by the time a close buddy scores big that is actually willing to help me out, or I finally start stumbling into a few, I wont get another chance for two weeks, lol. Its a tough game... but dang if it was easy it wouldnt be any fun.

    I beg for knowledge, sometimes even here and every now and then I get a tidbit of info... but for the most part it is vague and it all comes down to putting in your time and figuring out almost every single piece of the puzzle yourself. The guys that are consistant in the tourneys, etc are all the guys who have logged both long term and recent water time. And these guys workin hard for it arent about to risk word getting out to the masses. I sure am jealous of you jokers that get to fish 3 times or more a week lol... I remember those days all too well. Now im just a clueless bi-weekend warrior at best lol!
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  • Anonymous3Anonymous3 Posts: 5,987 Officer
    I feel like im a competant flounder angler.... not a specailist, per say, like some guys that seem to be, but if they are there where I fish I will find them.... at least thats what I like to think. I know what to look for, etc. And man I have scoured the river lately with only a few filets to speak for, after fustrating my self so many times at the gas pump, lol. I know they are upriver. Not sure how far lol, and our river is vast. There are no real numbers that I could find east of the cruise terminal. So ill fish arlington or further upstream next. Maybe this weekend ill get a chance to look, most likely not. So how much will have changed between the two times I got to scout, two weeks apart?

    It would be nice just to have a more general idea of what region to look in. But by the time a close buddy scores big that is actually willing to help me out, or I finally start stumbling into a few, I wont get another chance for two weeks, lol. Its a tough game... but dang if it was easy it wouldnt be any fun.

    I beg for knowledge, sometimes even here and every now and then I get a tidbit of info... but for the most part it is vague and it all comes down to putting in your time and figuring out almost every single piece of the puzzle yourself. The guys that are consistant in the tourneys, etc are all the guys who have logged both long term and recent water time. And these guys workin hard for it arent about to risk word getting out to the masses. I sure am jealous of you jokers that get to fish 3 times or more a week lol... I remember those days all too well. Now im just a clueless bi-weekend warrior at best lol!
    " Now im just a clueless bi-weekend warrior at best lol!


    "........ I knew there was something strange about you. Thanks for the honesty but we really did not need to know. What is it about ya'll that you have to shout it to the world ??.....ROLMAO
  • BoattronicsBoattronics Posts: 5,071 Admiral
    This is probably at my expense, but Ill point out your linky no worky bud.

    I think I know where this is going though.... I used to give away all the usefull info I could to help others. But it cost me way more than the little bit of appreciation I earned. Shoot, I hardly ever report anything anymore because im afraid of the fish ninjas. Your secrets are now safe with me lol. These days im lucky to fish any advice before it is old news anyway. I just try to keep in touch with my best fishing buds and live vicariously through them and facebook, lol.
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  • BoattronicsBoattronics Posts: 5,071 Admiral
    A true sportsman helps others.... but a true sportsman isnt going to share a dead give away, also removing the sport from it. I try to adhere to that better now, as in my recent flounder report. I just wanted to help others by sharing where I know that they are not at, to help reduce such a vast search. It cracks me up how far people go, they dont even want the dang area code where they fished to get out.
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  • arunramarunram Posts: 1,628 Officer
    When they are here, there is so many places for them to stay and hence spread out. When they leave, there is only one way out to the Ocean which is the river. The leave for spawning offshore. You can catch good flounder all through the year but your chances are very high during their migration as they will be bunched up in the stretch of the river feeding heavily on their way out.
  • Sea SnakeSea Snake Posts: 5,025 Admiral
    I think our flounder are just juvenile fish....and the St Johns is their nursery...even the 5 and 10 pounders are juveniles...and from here they migrate out into the ocean...where some head north...and others head all the way up to Alaska, and grow huge...just for the Halibut...:grin

    ...just for the hal-a-but....get it ?.....:willynilly


    thank you, thank you very much, I'll be here all week...try the veal...!!

    :cool:
  • BoattronicsBoattronics Posts: 5,071 Admiral
    Now the good Lord and all the rest of you know that im guilty of this myself, but im always trying to better myself, and have changed my ways. I have always included tips, sometimes too much!

    The report section is to post reports. That means post up your catch, and any details you are willing to share to help others. It gets old looking at all the "Hey, look at my fish" posts that share nothing but a fish picture. You dont have to give anything away, but a general region you fished, tackle that was effective, depths, etc can be given as tips at least to help folks out a little. Nobody cares you caught a great fish, or a bunch of em, if you dont share at least a hint, you are only bragging.

    At least when I bragged I included at least a few tips, lol.
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  • Anonymous3Anonymous3 Posts: 5,987 Officer
    This is probably at my expense, but Ill point out your linky no worky bud.

    I think I know where this is going though.... I used to give away all the usefull info I could to help others. But it cost me way more than the little bit of appreciation I earned. Shoot, I hardly ever report anything anymore because im afraid of the fish ninjas. Your secrets are now safe with me lol. These days im lucky to fish any advice before it is old news anyway. I just try to keep in touch with my best fishing buds and live vicariously through them and facebook, lol.
    I was just pointing out that you called yourself " Bi ".......It was supposed to be a joke at your expense though. Read under the "linky ".
  • BoattronicsBoattronics Posts: 5,071 Admiral
    Oh, lol. Im just but hurt right now 'cause I aint found my flounder yet, lol.
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  • Grand SlamGrand Slam Posts: 145 Deckhand
    So if you're trying to target flounder, are there certain depths they stay at? Do you find them in more shallow areas or deeper areas of the river? I'm learning as well and would love any tips. I don't want your spot but just what I should look for or where to even start.
  • arunramarunram Posts: 1,628 Officer
    Grand Slam wrote: »
    So if you're trying to target flounder, are there certain depths they stay at? Do you find them in more shallow areas or deeper areas of the river? I'm learning as well and would love any tips. I don't want your spot but just what I should look for or where to even start.

    There are two philosophies for flounder. One is the bass fishing mentality. You see a structure, throw something at it. The other is shallow/deep water flounder fishing by power drifting or just plain drifting that is done with arties and also live bait. For a beginner, like myself, "see something, throw something" is the way to start.
  • Brother DaveBrother Dave Posts: 595 Officer
    And drifting and dragging is boring like watchin paint dry.... Kinda like kingfishing!!;)
  • BoattronicsBoattronics Posts: 5,071 Admiral
    For all the newbies, here is perhaps the longest discussion ever held on a forum about our local flounder and how to target them, with over 16,000 views and 9 pages of opinions and advice.
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?21796-Flounder-poundin-101-BLING-BLING!-Its-all-about-the-spinners-baby!&highlight=bling+bling
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  • Grand SlamGrand Slam Posts: 145 Deckhand
    For all the newbies, here is perhaps the longest discussion ever held on a forum about our local flounder and how to target them, with over 16,000 views and 9 pages of opinions and advice.
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?21796-Flounder-poundin-101-BLING-BLING!-Its-all-about-the-spinners-baby!&highlight=bling+bling

    Thanks for the thread! I will def read up. I'm a noob and love to learn how to catch.
  • bp4life71bp4life71 Posts: 47 Deckhand
    Bottom fish it. Sinker over swivel with any length leader. Live bait on hook or gulp. Slowly drag it if in Icw/river. Target deeper water in rivers. Offshore, find structure and drift around it lifting bait up n down. Feel any weight, stick it. That's it. Ez peasy
  • Josh85Josh85 Posts: 377 Officer
    To say its easy would be somewhat of an understatement. Reds are "easy". Trout are "easy", you hook em' you got em'. Number one you have to actually find the fish,number two you have to catch the fish. Just because you find the fish doesnt mean your going to get them in the boat-put a hook in a big one and pull him out and lose him-kiss him goodbye. When you start getting into larger flounder-they are well know for spitting a hook. ANYONE can catch a little dink dink flounder. Theres ALWAYS nice flounder around. There just more when the run is on, which puts the odds in your favor. Like brother Dave said, some choose to stay some choose to leave. Maybe just the **** ones stay, who knows. You have to think like a fish, and know guys who know whats up. Theres a couple different things that go into it, but not many people are willing to give that information up because they have spent alot of time, money and failed marriages doin' it...I dont think anyone will ever actually get their exact pattern down.
  • Brother DaveBrother Dave Posts: 595 Officer
    For all the newbies, here is perhaps the longest discussion ever held on a forum about our local flounder and how to target them, with over 16,000 views and 9 pages of opinions and advice.
    http://forums.floridasportsman.com/showthread.php?21796-Flounder-poundin-101-BLING-BLING!-Its-all-about-the-spinners-baby!&highlight=bling+bling

    Notice the date you posted that Tony!! It's coming. Patience grosshoppa!! :)
  • Creek RunnerCreek Runner Posts: 140 Officer
    I just put a Salad Fork in them! IE 3 prong gig! Oh and there are fish east of the cruise terminal right now, stuck about 40 of them over 3 nights up to 8lbs.
  • ChippyDieselChippyDiesel Posts: 457 Officer
    I just put a Salad Fork in them! IE 3 prong gig! Oh and there are fish east of the cruise terminal right now, stuck about 40 of them over 3 nights up to 8lbs.

    Everyone! Quick, to the cruise terminal!!!!!! Totally kidding, thanks for the feed back guys.
  • Brother DaveBrother Dave Posts: 595 Officer
    Fished there Sunday for an hour. Notta. Lol
  • Josh85Josh85 Posts: 377 Officer
    I just put a Salad Fork in them! IE 3 prong gig! Oh and there are fish east of the cruise terminal right now, stuck about 40 of them over 3 nights up to 8lbs.

    lol Awesome now your gonna have 50 people on the shoreline when you go back
  • FlounderMcFluttonFlounderMcFlutton Posts: 170 Officer
    If you want to catch a lot of Flounder...start off by disregarding what anybody else is telling you to do.
    In most cases you are most likely going to be sent on a wild goose chase. You gotta put your work in....and a lot of times that still is not enough. IMO - they are the hardest fish in our waters to target and be successful
    at it. I think thats what draws me to want to fish for them. When they stage in the river they are a pretty easy target because of the sheer numbers of them. There are plenty of fish in our waters right now and we
    have been having respectable catches for a while now. It has not come easy though
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  • FlounderMcFluttonFlounderMcFlutton Posts: 170 Officer
    I also read some post put up by other members on here saying
    that they fished mayport to arlington and got nothing ...I
    read one that said Palm Valley to sisters creek and 0 Flounder!
    Really ?? I dont think I could fish those distances in a lifetime
    much less in a day. Its sounds to me like spot checking fall hot
    spots for Flounder. Thats not a very good way to find them in
    85 degree water. Now in 4 to 6 weeks that might work. I caught 60
    plus flounder one afternoon on one spot....and every single fish
    I pulled from there were laying in about a 10ft x 10ft area - they were
    all buried up but could not turn down a bait if it was dragged across
    their nose...if you cast a bait outside that 10 x 10 area you could not
    buy a bite. The point is you gotta fish a lot of ground to zero them in.
    I have been chasing flounder for over 22 years and as far as a migration
    pattern goes - I dont think there is one. I think they stay on the closest food supply. Just an opinion though
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  • Creek RunnerCreek Runner Posts: 140 Officer
    Josh85 wrote: »
    lol Awesome now your gonna have 50 people on the shoreline when you go back

    LoL, I said EAST of the terminal that could be anywhere from Nassau sound to pine island to salt run!! PS I was very close to an inlet with all the rain you need incoming water for any clarity!
  • FlounderMcFluttonFlounderMcFlutton Posts: 170 Officer
    LoL, I said EAST of the terminal that could be anywhere from Nassau sound to pine island to salt run!! PS I was very close to an inlet with all the rain you need incoming water for any clarity!

    Lmao...He is kinda slow. That"s where the josh "85" comes
    from. Let him read it 85 times...he will get it...maybe. Josh,
    I know your reading this ( 85 times) Whats your thoughts on
    the Flounder migration?
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  • Brother DaveBrother Dave Posts: 595 Officer
    Hahahaha.... Bottom line, flounder are where YOU find them! Stop wishin and go fishin!

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